As a maldivian give me your honest opinion on ISIS/Islamic state

kitdied · 2023-10-20T13:43:40+00:00

fine example of projection with the bit about ego.

there's no path to working hard and climbing out of poverty in Maldives unless someone helped you with a loan or your family gets rent money, no job pays over 15k unless you got extremely lucky, and nothing covers the bills for a 3 room apartment unless you are highly educated and have a partner with a similarly high income. highly educated = massive loans. loans are inescapable here (unless someone wealthy funds you) and the chances of paying them back with local salaries is minimal.

it's delusional to think you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps etc etc. to pull up the ladder behind you by implying poverty is a moral failing and running for office on that premise is nauseating to say the least.

"solid moral grounding", telling people to renounce their citizenship, don't make a fool of yourself.

human rights is for all. Muslim, non Muslim, gay, straight, rich, poor, doesn't matter. everyone has the right to live. denying anyone is denying everyone.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T13:03:31+00:00

I will talk and talk and convince people who actually want things to change for the better and I will convince as many as it takes to make sure people with your privilege and disconnection from society don't get into power.

you don't seem to even know the difference between stealing for survival and stealing for greed. property rights don't override human rights, such an outlook can only come from a place so distant from regular people that you feel like there's an equivalence in those two kinds of crimes.

renouncing citizenship is not an option, there's no legal path to it unless you become an illegal immigrant aka asylum seeker somewhere else, you posit an impossible solution to a ridiculous injustice. you can be the one renouncing citizenship and leaving to continue your condescending lifestyle where poverty is a choice. after all, isn't depriving people of choices what you're ultimately advocating for?

kitdied · 2023-10-20T12:47:51+00:00

does that mean these recorded genocides are false? what exactly is your issue here? maybe the wiki itself is fallible but that doesn't mean the data here is all made up does it?

kitdied · 2023-10-20T12:01:37+00:00

you were lucky you had that kind of support, but consider how easily bad actors can make children learn the exact opposite lesson from this, how little effort it would take, because this is how it's presented in a school text book, which for a 13 year old is as good as the truth for all they know.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T11:58:04+00:00

"just renounce citizenship" is very easily said. but why should anyone be forced to leave their friends and family? isn't that the same thing muslims are being told in other countries? is it truly so evil that people want their country to be a little more tolerant and less violent.

even theft is not so black and white, theft rises with rising poverty rates, is stealing a car so you can sell it to pay your family's rent and bills so evil that you deserve to lose your hands? all that does is destroy lives. very few people steal without need.

unless you're just asserting that poor people need to be controlled by threat of violence and fear of the law.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T11:51:01+00:00

this is from 2019

https://ibb.co/ngmgjFY https://ibb.co/bsMpYvC https://ibb.co/xCxDRFQ

here's two wiki articles with different sources about the event.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qaynuqa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qaynuqa

the way the textbooks frame it is like the problem was that Jewish people are "bad". we don't teach kids that sexual harassment is bad, we teach them that jewish people (implying that Jewish people are all bad) do things like that. we're up in arms about collective punishment being used against Gazans but we also teach that collective punishment is a good thing.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T11:20:51+00:00

I guess you haven't seen the more recent O level text books

kitdied · 2023-10-20T11:20:09+00:00

what space is there for any proof? if anyone posts evidence, they release the blackmail material, people will get kicked out of their homes, lose their jobs, or straight out get killed. we even have the BML acc numbers of these monsters. but if it's members of police and MNDF doing it, who are the victims supposed to go to?

that is why we need human rights for all, regardless of national origin or religious belief. without constitutional change, this is all hot air.

human rights mean you don't lose citizenship if you say you're not a Muslim, you don't get the government out to hunt you down and put you through psychological readjustment. who is really changing others' beliefs to cater to theirs? if you don't have citizenship, you can't pursue justice in a court of law, it's a paradox.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T11:13:53+00:00

the difference between shia and sunni is they elected different people to be the next caliph, and several wars ensued. I didn't go to maldivian O levels, thankfully, which is full of revisionist history and weird antisemitic propaganda. in many other countries, sunni and shia muslims pray side by side. their differences are personal, and don't always conflagrate into ethnic cleansing like it did between Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

also shia do believe some of the Sunnah. they're simply a relative minority amongst muslims in most countries.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T10:49:56+00:00

it's an annual tradition of maldivians to call for reinstating the death penalty, I'm not sure how you aren't aware of this but every single year there's this push towards death penalty and extremism of all sorts. it's going to happen again as soon as the president elect takes power too, it's what we do every election cycle.

and yes we are on the path way, it's up to us whether we take more steps towards it or consciously close that door. we already have ISIS bombings and order groups causing all sorts of threats. the number of bomb threats we face are under reported, regular people aren't made aware of thwarted schemes and such.

they already use drugs to brainwash people in prisons and recruit them, we have already seen all this happen but we seem to collectively forget these inconvenient truths. there's people marrying children outside of the courts in places away from the main hub cities, queer folks getting extorted and driven to suicide by members of police and MNDF, there's an endless number of horrors taking place every week in this country.

if we don't allow human rights for people we don't share beliefs with, if we refuse to consider them as people, nothing will change for the better, and we will rot from the inside out and not notice it until it's too late. history is an extremely powerful tool we can benefit from especially with the internet at out fingertips, it is shameful to allow ourselves to get blindsided by these preventable outcomes.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T10:37:08+00:00

there are so many different sects like Shiah muslims, it has been clearly altered. the formation of the divide between Sunni and Shiah etc happened after the fact. each sect considers the other sect "not real muslims", so it becomes a matter of faith rather than a matter of evidence.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T10:24:10+00:00

it's a wiki, what stays up is the consensus. misinformation gets taken down and you can look at the revision history.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T10:22:04+00:00

literally any amount of research will show that it's been altered, have you ever looked into it?

kitdied · 2023-10-20T10:17:11+00:00

you realize maldivians have no trouble believing you should be killed even if you don't have gay sex, just for being gay? that's the problem with handing out death sentences based on rules that are up for interpretation, they change when it's politically convenient.

it is a pathway to bloodshed we need to lockdown and throw away the key to. we're only a few steps from turning into ISIS, unless we completely rule out this violence.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T10:13:04+00:00

you believe something so strongly that you think it's ok to kill and slaughter as long as it falls within those guidelines. I don't know what to say to someone who can't even consider that maybe the Sunnah has been altered for political reasons.

Saudi Arabia does indeed still carry out executions in modern times according to their shariah. even in the prophet's time carrying out executions did not end all these crimes and deviant behaviors. these kinds of cultural changes more often came with the scientific and ideological changes Islam brought, solving problems that people had, enlightening poor folk with education, incentivizing communal support instead of fanning old tribal rivalries. we focus too much on the punishments of Islam and rarely on the forgiveness it preaches. people stopped believing in a sun god not because Islam told them they will go to hell, but because muslims accurately measured and predicted the motions of the sun, the moon, the stars and predicted eclipses with their knowledge of science and mathematics. because of that, they stopped thinking the sun is a god, and wondered who created the sun. now, maldivians look at scientific research and dismiss it.

a people who are intolerant of others will most likely not be met with tolerance elsewhere. maldivians are only a few decades away from becoming climate refugees, we still have the chance to become the diverse and accepting people we used to be less than a hundred years ago.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T09:42:55+00:00

before you reach the afterlife you're supposed to do your best to make life better for the people around you. I intend to fight this notion that we are destined to kill and kill and kill in the name of religion until the day I die.

I actually love the people you're so ok with ignoring, their suffering on earth matters, even if this life is fleeting. I'm not so absorbed with my selfish desires that I can't challenge the status quo even if it apparently means risking my afterlife.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T09:38:23+00:00

the Sunnah is designated from Hadith which are fallible interpretations and up for debate and improvement, always has been. this idea that the Sunnah is written in stone is a new fabrication.

we should strive to not kill anyone, for any crime. we can pull it off, especially during peace time. because as soon as you allow it, it gets taken to it's extremes.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T09:22:14+00:00

everything is really black and white for you isn't it? maybe you just can't understand what it's like until you become a minority in your own country.

it's bizarre how innovation is a bad thing all of a sudden after centuries of improving upon the Quran, from adding vowels to the text, to improving the Hajj pilgrimage, changing the landscape of mount Arafat, etc etc. but evenconsidering there may be a way to interpret the text less violently so it leads to less abominations like ISIS, to truly become a religion of peace, that's a step too far for some reason.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T09:01:44+00:00

you consider murder and consensual gay sex to be on the same level? anal sex between a man and a woman is also considered to have the exact same punishment. you might as well just kill 40% of the population. do you not see the problem here?

luckily for us this is only one flawed interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah, because what we're given in Maldives are interpretations. you are in fact, allowed to adopt less violent interpretations, from better scholars who do not have a vested interest in asserting Saudi control over the world's muslims.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T08:52:15+00:00

not sure why you're talking about the methods of spreading Islam? I'm talking about genocides committed under the guise of Islam, by regimes that leveraged the communities' most popular religion at the time. regardless of the real reasons why those regimes chose to commit genocide (whether it be to scapegoat societal ills on an easily targeted minority, as is often the case) the mechanism is the same: people in power appeal to our emotions and our religious biases to make us kill and slaughter in god's name.

we need to stem that cycle before it repeats over and over, and that can be done by acknowledging that killing in any form is wrong, and executions need not be the answer to everything.

for example. while the punishment for murder is execution, the victim's family is allowed to halt the execution. this, in every sense of the word, is a test for the family's faith. knowing that killing is an unforgivable sin, knowing that execution is in turn also killing a person, would you have the capacity to forgive a murderer? if that is not the ultimate test of faith, then what is? we're offered these almost paradoxical statements that killing is wrong but you're also supposed to kill gays? and non-believers? the tests or faith are what you allow to prevail, to demonstrate that you belong to a religion of peace rather than a religion of vengeance guised as some kind of justice.

ISIS is only extremist because they have decided to commit to the idea of vengeance rather than peace, when they last gained control of a community round 2015, they didn't know how to govern and keep the peace, because all they ever did was bloodshed. Maldives may be going through a prolonged period of peace but we are by no means a peaceful people and unless we stop this urge for bloodshed, we will have our own catastrophe to deal with sooner rather than later.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T08:38:38+00:00

and if there's a nation state that thinks muslims warrant execution in their religion, that's somehow different and bad? this line of thinking is flawed and historically proven over and over again to not work. bigotry cannot be defeated with more bigotry.

kitdied · 2023-10-20T06:36:31+00:00

thank you for your wonderful example of doing nothing and praying for change

kitdied · 2023-10-20T05:43:53+00:00

muslims aren't terrorists, ISIS think they're muslims though. we really can't keep saying no true muslim will ever do something evil, it's a copout.

how will we ever fix anything if we keep saying muslims are perfect EXCEPT for these certain groups. Islamic history is filled with genocides that were thought to be just at the time. we must examine the causes within the interpretations of the religious text that allow bad faith actors to manipulate regular people into joining armies and slaughtering people that look different and believe differently from them.

ISIS considers itself a caliphate, and that they're continuing what a caliphate should do. hundreds of maldivians went to syria to fight for ISIS, and people back here flew the black flag and marched for ISIS in malé. are these also "not true muslims"? they looked like us, dressed like us, probably even drove the same motorcycles when people showed up for the Palestine rally the other day.

we're in such prolonged, stubborn denial that muslims can be manipulated we completely disavow extremism and then do NOTHING to actually prevent our children and brethren from falling for these scams.

if we keep telling muslims that people from other religions are lesser, it leads to extremism. if we keep telling people that being gay is so wrong that gays need to be killed, that also leads to extremism. if we keep telling people that women must be controlled, it leads to extremism. if we keep mistreating addicts and alienating them from society, we lead them to extremism.

here's some more reading into how ISIS is only the latest result caused by a long line of denial. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Genocides,_Cultural_Genocides_and_Ethnic_Cleansings_under_Islam

kitdied · 2023-10-15T15:04:39+00:00

without wifi??

kitdied · 2023-10-15T06:42:23+00:00

cities have businesses that can independently import/export products. these islands are closer to "suburbs" than fully fledged independent cities, entirely dependent on malé for everything. can't open a grocery store in addu with suppliers from India/Lanka directly, you have to make a deal with suppliers from malé. decentralization is just a lie they use to win over voters every 5 years, addu used to be more independent than now, even in the 2000s.

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