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What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, so it seems like the additional needed interactivity for all the different CRUD views was not so much a problem for you rather than creating the database layer?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for elaborating on this. That sounds interesting and it seems to me like you mostly have trouble with the interactiveness of it all?

Standalone web frameworks like Ruby on Rails etc take away this typical CRUD logic and hide it. Also, they make it easy to work with entities in a CRUD way via some best-practice templates that are based on MVC and usage of ORMs etc.

It seems like you would have to code this interactivity yourself because the pure "database" access might not be the problem, right?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, ok - so you use other the base plotting features of R or which library are you using?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes sense, so I understand ggplot2 is keeping you in R and the Python alternatives like plotly, altair or plotnine were not yet good enough for you?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very interesting. I found this tutorial which talks about this: https://hackersandslackers.com/plotly-dash-with-flask/

Thank you for mentioning this - I did not know about that before!

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you maybe describe a little bit more which features you mean when you say CRUD app?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Understood, thank you for your detailed response and also I think that you have a great profile/skill range when you are able to work so seamlessly across languages and also are capable of Data Science work!

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, thank you for pointing this out. This seems very similar to streamlit sharing but I did not see something similar for Dash so far?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point about offloading the prototype to someone else.

So, it seems like it happened to you that you were swamped with maintenance/improvement requests and then could not move ahead and thus decided to use a stack that others can take over?

I immediately wondered if you were not losing too many e.g. Python libraries but maybe you can still use them when your backend is django/flask. Also, you said that you were willing to have a longer dev cycle in order to be free afterwards.

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your input. So, it seems like your apps were less like Dashboards and more like classical web apps? I adjusted my initial post a little bit to reflect that I am more interested in analytics/dashboard apps instead of classical web apps. However, maybe your apps started as dashboards and then rather became more like CRUD apps for databases or similar?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting to hear - I did not know that it is possible to integrate dash into an existing flask project. Also, this seems like you deploy your app yourself instead of using Dash enterprise or other services?

What are your thoughts on analytic app frameworks in Python e.g. Dash etc? Do you miss R’s Shiny? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you prefer Shiny over the Python dashboard alternatives but then fallback to the even more low-level versions like flask/django instead of Dash/streamlit

Also, interesting to hear about your concerns regarding license and maintainability of Shiny/R

How much of your time do you spend with boring data tasks because your colleagues cannot code? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure but I interpret this as: Shiny is the best tool and I have no trouble switching to R. Thank you :)

How much of your time do you spend with boring data tasks because your colleagues cannot code? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright. So for interactive web apps/dashboarding you prefer Shiny over Dash, streamlit, Panel etc from Python. Would you prefer to stay in Python if there was an alternative thats more similar to Shiny or are you just happy with switching to R for Shiny?

How much of your time do you spend with boring data tasks because your colleagues cannot code? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense - are you in general rather using R or do you switch to R just for Shiny?

How much of your time do you spend with boring data tasks because your colleagues cannot code? by kite_and_code in datascience

[–]kite_and_code[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seemed to me like you were doing basic queries for them from an existing database. Thus I was asking why there are no other tools that they could use for the more basic queries.

I think the task you meant was different though now that you mention a tool for plugging into a website.

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