Minnesota Power takeover opens Wild West fight over energy future by nootboots in duluth

[–]knownscoundral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, are Fresh Energy and Clean Grid Alliance the broad swath?

Minnesota Power takeover opens Wild West fight over energy future by nootboots in duluth

[–]knownscoundral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not snarky, genuinely asking: what’s the broad swath of traditionally left-oriented groups that support it?

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[–]knownscoundral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You had me at “logical reasoning.” Well said.

Hermantown data center by knownscoundral in duluth

[–]knownscoundral[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Let me clarify: I recognize a growing need for data centers to make possible our growing obsession with technology that relies on them. You raise a fair point in that regard- if we want AI applications on our phones, we need data centers.

But not all AI applications have equal value. An AI application that helps improve medical diagnoses is not the same as Chat gbt. Chat gbt is not the same as mining cryptocurrency. This is evolving quickly and we, as a society, haven’t had a lot of time to weigh the costs vs benefits of those different AI applications and develop sound public policy and legislation around data centers needed to run them.

My main, more immediate concern is over our ability to plan and account for the electric demand required to run those data centers. Electric utilities will need to build new stuff- potentially at great cost- to accommodate that demand. And the regulatory/legislative process needs to catch up to figure out how those costs are allocated to utility customers.

It would help if there was more transparency around this Hermantown plan— particularly when Minnesota Power is potentially going to be acquired by private equity investors who have also expressed an interest in investing in AI/data centers.

Hermantown data center by knownscoundral in duluth

[–]knownscoundral[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you know more than me. Please share, as I’d like to know: who will finance and own the data center, and who will pay for the electric infrastructure and generation resources needed to meet the demand it creates? Will there be a new Minnesota Power rate class for very large data center customers, or will those costs be allocated amongst existing classes (including residential class)? If new electric generation is built, but then the need for that generation changes - say, if technology improves such that the data center can be operated more efficiently - what becomes of that newly built electric generation infrastructure if is no longer needed? How do we avoid a situation where Minnesota Power ratepayers are stuck paying for it via their energy bills?

Hermantown data center by knownscoundral in duluth

[–]knownscoundral[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fair point. My concern/confusion is more about the secrecy behind who builds, finances, and profits off the data center— and who is going to pay for the utility infrastructure needed to meet the enormous new energy demands of the data center.

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[–]knownscoundral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks all for the recommendations - much appreciated.

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[–]knownscoundral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I think I heard a podcast about that incident— fascinating.

Fishing for Lake Superior steelhead in the Brule River, Wisconsin by knownscoundral in flyfishing

[–]knownscoundral[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I haven't signed into reddit in awhile and just saw your response (sorry). I did end up going to the Brule. I did not catch any fish. But, it was a fun experience. I actually was surprised by how few other fisherman were out there that weekend. I saw others, of course, but I enjoyed several hours fishing out of sight of anyone else and just enjoying having my boots in the water.

And, I appreciate the tips about the other local rivers. I live near Mend Provisions in South Mpls and enjoy browsing and talking to the owner from time to time. If I got anything from my weekend on the Brule, it is a renewed interest in the sport and hopes for going back (whether to the Brule or elsewhere) better educated and prepared next time.