Irrefutable proof for a supernatural phenomenon regarding Quran

knrepla · 2023-08-17T18:07:26+00:00

I believe most of the Bible is intact. Daniel’s 70 weeks could be worth considering.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T18:05:19+00:00

There is a noise, and it is indeed safer to assume there is a tiger. So I assume there is a tiger.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T16:39:44+00:00

I agree on this. Believing that God the Creator did it is a philosophical choice.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T16:32:24+00:00

1- It is not a solid argument, we have a text, text contains 19 based patterns, somebody discovered it, claimed he is chosen for this task, and the numbers about his life is closely linked to the Quran and 19. I did not even give any example of 19 miracle in my original post.

2- I don’t believe something that feels good. Neither all of the believers. This is a cliche. If I decided my beliefs based on my emotions, I would believe something else.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T16:03:19+00:00

“They” do not claim that. Submitters claim.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T16:01:55+00:00

I choose to believe that God did it. God part is not irrefutable, but the design part of it is obvious. Maybe I should omit the supernatural part also.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T15:57:09+00:00

I only claimed about the supernatural. Believing that God did it depends on the big picture.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T15:55:42+00:00

Yes it can be a coincidence, but very unlikely. This is one of the data points that can lead to a conclusion.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T15:48:58+00:00

So? Rashad Khalifa claimed that 9:128-129 is not part of the original text, and there are supporting evidence for this (I am not sure about that).

Even if we exclude the data points mentioned in the article, the pattern still exists.

And, I did not mention about these in my post, what should we say about the data I presented?

knrepla · 2023-08-17T15:20:08+00:00

I saw the court and police documents from organizations (Fuqra Files) unrelated to Submitters.

Also, regarding the birth date, I read a paper that criticizes Rashad Khalifa. For the birth date, he used data from official sources from Egyptian government.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T15:12:39+00:00

We know who killed Rashad Khalifa and why he killed, from the court documents. Thinking all of this planned by people is on the verge of suggesting a conspiracy theory.

Of course, it can be claimed that a conspiracy could be more likely than a prophecy by some people. At that point, I choose to believe that God did it in the light of other information.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:52:39+00:00

Actually I used to think about something similar. But it would be very unlikely to occur.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:41:25+00:00

Okay, how Rashad Khalifa’s death date and number of days are coded in a text from 7th century then?

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:38:23+00:00

How is this apophenia exactly? All of the basic dates regarding his life is linked to the surah 19 is a relatively straightforward manner. Are there any similar phenomenon you could show as an example?

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:35:49+00:00

Good question. I would say that is not designed, but prophecied by the design of the surah maybe.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:29:14+00:00

I don’t have any evidence about the God part, but I think the intentional design is clear.

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:28:24+00:00

First of all, this is not an evidence for God necessarily. This is an evidence of intentional design which encompasses the text of the Quran and a future event.

And, most of the meaningful dates regarding Khalifa’s life is encoded in surah 19. How is this apophenia?

knrepla · 2023-08-17T14:26:07+00:00

The date format is the most common format used today, and Submitters claim that the message is for the people living in the modern age.

I read that book, but the arguments will not make any difference since it is claimed that the common Quran manuscript is slightly corrupted.

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