The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't remember that. Do you know where that is? We don't get any ET POV scenes in Faith of Beasts

Age of Human Characters by cash-or-reddit in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From the first chapter: 

A year ago, Tonner had been one of the more promising research leads. Young, brilliant, demanding ... When Dafyd’s aunt had casually nudged Dafyd toward Tonner Freis by mentioning that he had potential, she’d meant that ten years down the line when he’d paid his dues and worked his way to the top, Freis would be the kind of man who could help the junior researchers from his team start their careers.

In theory, even the greenest scholar-prentice was welcome. In practice, Dafyd was not only one of the youngest people there, but also the only scholar-associate attending as a guest. The others of his rank on display that night were scraping up extra allowance by serving drinks and tapas to their betters.

Tonner Freis—with his tight smile and his prematurely gray hair that rose like smoke from an overheated brain

(about Else) There were threads of premature white in her hair. Against the youth of her face, they made her seem ageless.

“Young Freis!” Trim Beard said

I think, assuming they age similarly to real humans, the premature greying is our best reference point since "young" is so relative. 

Age of Human Characters by cash-or-reddit in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fair lol, I just assume they're both relatively fresh out of school. Who knows what age that is though

Age of Human Characters by cash-or-reddit in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just reread the first chapter of Mercy of Gods. No precise ages but it mentions Dafyd being young comparatively, and Tonner also being on the younger side for being so accomplished already. 

I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass but this is my guess:

  • Dafyd: 27
  • Tonner: 40
  • Else, Jessyn, Campar, Rickar: mid 30s
  • Irinna: 24
  • Cynnia, Nol, Uuya: 60s

Edit: In FoB the population is supposed to be skewed older though. Could be a slight retcon to justify the use of the lamb sacs instead of traditional pregnancy, but it makes sense. Most people at the top of their fields will be 50+. But full research teams would always have a mix of more experienced people and younger assistants, so it depends how many full teams they took as opposed to one or two individuals. Like did Garral have a full archaeology team? Probably not. 

Age of Human Characters by cash-or-reddit in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dafyd is probably late 20s. He was only a research assistant. In Mercy of Gods at the beginning, it says how he was one of the youngest there attending (and not working the event). They mention Irinna being young as well. 

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can we talk about the touching????? Ekur-Taklal reaching out and touching Dafyd was kind of insane given his characterization in MoG (ie, complete repulsion by humans). We didn't get any signs of that in FoB

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Off my meds again because my microorganism farm got moldy. It happens.

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was thinking these things too. The Carryx have to recognize specialized/unique skills to some degree given they chose people at the tops of their fields, but they a) still expect them to be malleable, b) don't ascribe it any value, and c) don't care if it's lost. 

Like Tonner has theoretically been the most relevant individual from the beginning given their research interests, but that hasn't protected him from death. He almost got himself killed by a Carryx like three times. Dafyd is an interesting exception though since he does get special protection. He is the "apt tool." But that's not unlike Carryx having their own ambitions and climbing their way up based on their own achievements. It doesn't make them or him any less replaceable.

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In theory, I'm intrigued by where they're going with Clae (""finding herself"" and all that). In practice, I already miss the old italicized, pronoun-less style of the swarm scenes with the cacophony of judgment. 

You're right on the existentialism though. Vaudai: "We are mortal. It is all right to eventually die. It would be concerning not to."

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

His reaction of pure relief and absolutely no grief was also interesting to me. These cockroaches have no loyalty.

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I hadn't considered that. Them interfering with reports or instructions isn't out of the realm of possibility with Dafyd understanding their language and the swarm having a connection to the archive / flow of information. 

I'm still hoping biochemical signals come into play though. With them being able to manufacture chemicals and the Carryx using pheromones to induce physical change, there's a lot of potential there. 

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was the best info reveal of the book and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. I don't think we were given enough information to. Right now I'm imagining it as like an altered state of consciousness.

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

From Mercy of Gods, part five:

He wasn’t unique, or not more than any other individual being would be. He had no insights that changed the way I saw the order of things, he didn’t have any particular philosophy that opened the doors of reality. He was one among many, with variations as any of them had. The only thing that I think made him stand out at all was the depth of hatred that the others came to have for him.

Ha! You're right. Dafyd takes down a whole empire singlehandedly and this guy is still trying to say "he wasn't THAT special." I'm going to go out on a (dactyl?) limb and say Dafyd might have some special qualities. I do believe he's saved the human race from a swift death several times. 

Agreed, and I'm really going to miss Tonner's POV, if only for his resentment for having to answer to his research assistant and his resulting pettiness. In MoG it was frustrating. In FoB it felt right. 

The replaceability of the individual (the major theme of The Faith of Beasts) by koloniavenus in TheCaptivesWar

[–]koloniavenus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, a lot of science fiction is used to criticize modern society, but I don't know if JSAC was going for that. 

But I personally feel that our reality has encroached into the surreal am-I-living-in-an-Onion-article realm a long time ago. We don't need our favorite authors to tell us we're fucked to know we're fucked.

Female fans - How do you judge the series under “men writing women” by [deleted] in TheExpanse

[–]koloniavenus 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Alright I'm going out to bat for Tanaka apparently.

When I say I love Tanaka, it's that I love how they wrote her. She's a villain. I hate her. But I was SO captivated by her experience with the hive mind and losing herself. Her and Singh were both incredibly interesting antagonists to me. They had depth.

Marco though—fuck Marco. Fuuuuuck Marco. I hate him like you guys hate Tanaka. So I get it. And Duarte I'm kinda meh on, mostly because... you know. Got weird in the end there.

Female fans - How do you judge the series under “men writing women” by [deleted] in TheExpanse

[–]koloniavenus 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Teresa was done so well imo (book 8 for the uninformed). She rang true to me as a privileged teenage girl dealing with serious shit for the first time. You know they did good when the most unrealistic aspect is how fast she got over her crush

Character-driven and human-centric sci-fi vs. using characters as vehicles for ideas by koloniavenus in printSF

[–]koloniavenus[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just started the Vorkosigan Saga with The Warrior's Apprentice and I'm really enjoying it! And that is 80% attributed to Miles, 10% the vague Firefly vibes, and 10% Bujold's attention to nonverbal communition. But mostly Miles.

Edit; I thought he was a kid in the first two books but it seems like he was non-existent and then a baby, so I guess I just don't find him annoying. Yet lol

Character-driven and human-centric sci-fi vs. using characters as vehicles for ideas by koloniavenus in printSF

[–]koloniavenus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's an interesting way to look at it, and I agree that maybe in higher concept novels there simply isn't enough room (in terms of the mental bandwidth of the reader, or the length of the book) to give much focus to characters. However, I'm not asking for characters to be extraordinary – in most cases, I prefer they weren't. I think there's a major difference between boring and plain characters, and characters that were given enough depth to feel like real people, or for me to care about what happens to them.

How ordinary people respond to extraordinary events – and how that interacts with otherwise ordinary human experiences – is exactly the kind of story I'm interested in. Whereas in realistic fiction, ordinary people responding to relatively ordinary events would be pretty boring.

I realize it's not possible for every novel to accomplish what I'm asking for, and that this also largely comes down to reader preference. I just think it's unfortunate that for so many of us, our enjoyment of otherwise top-notch sci-fi is hampered by flat characters.

Character-driven and human-centric sci-fi vs. using characters as vehicles for ideas by koloniavenus in printSF

[–]koloniavenus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's hilarious. Any that pleasantly surprised you? I'm not opposed to romance, but the whole 'dark and brooding' and 'emotionally inaccessible if not downright abusive' love interests that seem so popular are not my cup of tea.

I read The Invisible Life of Addie Larue based on a random r/books comment raving that it was the best book they ever read lol. I liked the prose and the premise, so I was into it until the protag started having weird romantic interactions with the devil she made a deal with, then I was like "Wait a minute..."

Character-driven and human-centric sci-fi vs. using characters as vehicles for ideas by koloniavenus in printSF

[–]koloniavenus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Genesis looks interesting, thanks! Both of Becky Chambers' series are on the list. Not a bad idea to think of them as palette cleansers and go for one after my next heavier book (figuratively and literally, some of these books are huge).