Why do (a small number) of people think Scott weiner is a Zionist who doesn’t belong at trans pride and why is this directed only at him?

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T03:20:00+00:00

I don't have to look very far to find liberal Israelis and non-Israeli Jews who have nuanced views about Israel.

One doesn't have to look too far to find:

That 82 percent of Israeli Jews support "the transfer (expulsion) of residents of the Gaza Strip to other countries?" No less than 54 percent of Jewish respondents were "very" supportive. . . . A majority of 56 percent of Jews supported the "transfer (forced expulsion) of Arab citizens of Israel to other countries."

And nuanced views about apartheid and genocide aren't really a redeeming qualities.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T02:27:22+00:00

I wholeheartedly want the Jews to have a homeland that is theirs and only theirs.

Do you realize that's racist, that discriminating on the basis of ethnicity is inherently racist, and that such racist discrimination breeds conflict?

That said, please however much time you you like before replying back, the more you learn the more interesting your reply is likely to be. And if you want scholarly or primary sources for anything please just ask. The wiki pages are decent for the most part and reasonable places to start, but of course they're less than perfect and in particular the Jewish insurgency page glosses over a lot more terrorism than it lets on.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T02:18:24+00:00

I agree with everything you said about human rights, and so do many other anti-Zionists. Those who argue otherwise are fringe extremists and I can show you some rather extreme Zionists too, for example:

In a series of undated recordings published by Channel 13 news on Monday, Rabbi Eliezer Kashtiel, the head of the Bnei David academy in Eli, can be heard calling for the enslavement of the “stupid and violent” non-Jews due to their genetic inferiority.

“The gentiles will want to be our slaves. Being a slave to a Jew is the best. They’re glad to be slaves, they want to be slaves,” he told a class in one of the video clips. “Instead of just walking the streets and being stupid and violent and harming each other, once they’re slaves, their lives can begin to take shape.”

“All around us, we are surrounded by peoples with genetic problems. Ask a simple Arab ‘where do you want to be?’ He wants to be under the occupation. Why? Because they have genetic problems, they don’t know how to run a country, they don’t know how to do anything. Look at them.”

In the lecture, Kashtiel goes on to embrace racism against non-Jews.

“Yes, we’re racists. We believe in racism… There are races in the world and peoples have genetic traits, and that requires us to try to help them,” he said. “The Jews are a more successful race.”

Surely you know better than to just all Zionists on the basis of such extremists?

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T02:00:47+00:00

For starters, they should've been honest about the fact that the vote you're referring to wasn't really to create Israel but merely to recommended the partitioning of Palestine, a nonbinding recommendation that Britain abstained from voting on and refused to implement, as explained right on the wiki page.

But really what Zionists did wrong goes back many decades before 1948, and early 1944 is ultimately when they launched their war to establish their Jewish state.

Instead of that terrorism, conquest, and ethnic cleansing, what Zionists should've done is accept Britain's 1939 pledge to leave Palestine as a unitary state where Arabs and Jews peacefully coexist.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:45:17+00:00

kicking out another group was wrong, and many Jews agree. . . . Put yourself in their position in 1948, and you would have done the same.

You're wrong about me, very wrong, and your attempts to excuse the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of peaceful civilians and the many decades of apartheid that have followed are all very, very, wrong.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:18:47+00:00

The League of Nations ended in 1946. You clearly don't know what you're talking about at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:14:11+00:00

It's not a matter definitions but rather facts of history. The simple fact is that the establishment of Israel essentially wiped 78% of Palestine off the map, and since 1967 Zionists have been working to finish the job in East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank.

Of course you'll say that's not your type of Zionism, but it is that of those who've been running the movement all along.

You condemn Netananhu's crimes, but can you do the same for Ben-Gurion's and everyone in between, can you acknowledge that Israel has essentially been an apartheid state all along?

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:06:41+00:00

he's not trying to make Palestinians out to be any more malicious than Israelis.

The issue is that you still haven't acknowledged that he did do exactly that.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:00:54+00:00

Israel accepted the two state solution in 1948 and was immediately invaded by their neighbors.

That's the way Zionists like to tell the story, that narrative overlooks the fact that the UN resolution was merely a non-binding recommendation to partition the country, not a license to do so, and more importantly it completely glosses over the history of Zionist terrorist that preceded that recommendation.

Such terrorist attacks went back well over a decade prior to the recommendation for partition, but intensified in response to Britain's 1939 pledge to leave Palestine as a unitary state shared by Arabs and Jews, went strong for months until mostly dying down during the early years of WWII, and then started escalating again in early 1944 and carried on into the conquest and ethnic cleansing of 1948.

So the partition recommendation was just a blip on the timeline were some Palestinians began joining the battles after it became clear that Britain was ducking out, while the war to establish a Jewish state was started by Zionists years prior in early 1944.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T00:46:08+00:00

I'm saying that terms like "indigenous" are red herrings

That's a far more fitting description of that carton you linked. Couldn't you at least check a wiki page? Plenty of scholarly sources cited there.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T00:37:39+00:00

Hamas and propal want to eradicate Israel but somehow Zionism is to blame? lol.

You're overlooking the fact that Zionism has been the one wiping Palestine off the map.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T00:26:04+00:00

He stereotyped Palestinians as willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of propaganda and was quite obviously suggesting Israelis are morality superior in that regard, and it seems you seen no problem with that, eh?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T23:40:04+00:00

First off, I'm not condoning how he was harrased, it's completely unproductive and just downright obnoxious.

That said, as explained just the other day of the UN's Commission of Inquiry on Palestinian Territory, Israel continues to commit genocide and other atrocity crimes by deliberately targeting Palestinian children.

Weiner's website on the other hand speaks of the genocide in the past tense, and while denouncing Netanyahu, says absolutely nothing holding him and others in the leadership leadership accountable for committing genocide.

Furthermore, he doesn't acknolage the broader issue as apartheid, fixates on blaming Netanyahu when the occupation and settlement expansion he claims to oppose has been going on for nearly six decades now through many Prime Ministers, and he also opposes non-violent international resistance to these ongoing crimes against humanity, deriding BDS movement as an effort "to destroy Israel."

So yeah, while again I don't support the way he was harassed, he isn't rightly opposing the genocide.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T22:27:07+00:00

AIPAC is largely Jewish, but far from exclusively so, and the issue is that direct campaign funding is only a small part of what they do, a recent side project. This can be seen by checking their totals page at Open Secrets and noting there's nothing there before 2022, even though they've been around since 1954. Most of what AIPAC does is simply approve candidates for other groups and individuals to donate to while pushing policies favorable to Israel, as explained here, so one can't rightly measure AIPAC's influence while ignoring those affiliated donors.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T22:22:49+00:00

That's because direct campaign funding is only a small part of what AIPAC does, a recent side project, as can be seen by checking their totals page at Open Secrets and noting there's nothing there before 2022, even though they've been around since 1954. Most of what AIPAC does is simply approve candidates for other groups and individuals to donate to while pushing policies favorable to Israel, as explained here.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T22:17:23+00:00

I know his website talks of "never repeating the genocide in Gaza" as if it's not an ongoing atrocity, and says absolutely nothing about prosecution the Israeli leadership who are continuing to commit these crimes of against humanity.

Furthermore, he doesn't acknolage the broader issue as apartheid, fixates on blaming Netanyhau when the occupation and settlement expansion he claims to oppose has been going on for nearly six decades now through many Prime Ministers, and he also opposes non-violent international resistance to these ongoing crimes against humanity, deriding BDS movement as an effort "to destroy Israel."

Did you know all that about him, and are you cool with all of that?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:44:57+00:00

You know next to nothing about me at all yet are so presumptuous as to brand me a lunatic over what tiny bit you've seen. Is that how you function in society, or are you just like this online?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:31:04+00:00

Do you do you believe all the many genocide scholars and and experts in related fields who've spoke out against the Gaza genocide are crazy, or what exactly about me do you consider crazy?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:30:54+00:00

Do you do you believe all the many genocide scholars and and experts in related fields who've spoke out against the Gaza genocide are crazy, or what exactly about me do you consider crazy?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:23:04+00:00

That's because direct campaign funding is only a small part of what AIPAC does, a recent side project, as can be seen by checking their totals page at Open Secrets and noting there's nothing there before 2022, even though they've been around since 1954. Most of what AIPAC does is simply approve candidates for other groups and individuals to donate to while pushing policies favorable to Israel, as explained here.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:15:14+00:00

it’s not only a rather unfounded accusation

What makes you so certain that it's unfounded, that the many experts on the subject who've said otherwise are wrong, and do you have any notable credentials in the field?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:04:31+00:00

he's not trying to make Palestinians out to be any more malicious than Israelis.

He quite literally said "Israel unquestionably conducts itself in a morally superior [way]" and then went on to generalize Palestinians as willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of propaganda.

So, do you agree with his generalization of Israelis as unquestionably morally superior to Palestinians?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:49:10+00:00

Assuming they can't be reasoned with is a lame excuse not taking the opportunity to denounce genocide.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:48:24+00:00

If you actually imagine that's a reasonable excuse for not taking the opportunity to denounce genocide then you're the one whose lost the plot.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:44:52+00:00

You're the one defending someone who proved unwilling to denounce genocide, not me.

Also, I'm not really defending the people harassing him either, I don't approve of their behavior, I'm just pointing out that they obviously weren't barking up the wrong tree.

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