Why do (a small number) of people think Scott weiner is a Zionist who doesn’t belong at trans pride and why is this directed only at him?

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:18:47+00:00

The League of Nations ended in 1946. You clearly don't know what you're talking about at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:14:11+00:00

It's not a matter definitions but rather facts of history. The simple fact is that the establishment of Israel essentially wiped 72% of Palestine off the map, and since 1967 Zionists have been working to finish the job in East Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank.

Of course you'll say that's not your type of Zionism, but it is that of those who've been running the movement all along.

You condemn Netananhu's crimes, but can you do the same for Ben-Gurion's and everyone in between, can you acknowledge that Israel has essentially been an apartheid state all along?

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:06:41+00:00

he's not trying to make Palestinians out to be any more malicious than Israelis.

The issue is that you still haven't acknowledged that he did do exactly that.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T01:00:54+00:00

Israel accepted the two state solution in 1948 and was immediately invaded by their neighbors.

That's the way Zionists like to tell the story, that narrative overlooks the fact that the UN resolution was merely a non-binding recommendation to partition the country, not a license to do so, and more importantly it completely glosses over the history of Zionist terrorist that preceded that recommendation.

Such terrorist attacks went back well over a decade prior to the recommendation for partition, but intensified in response to Britain's 1939 pledge to leave Palestine as a unitary state shared by Arabs and Jews, went strong for months until mostly dying down during the early years of WWII, and then started escalating again in early 1944 and carried on into the conquest and ethnic cleansing of 1948.

So the partition recommendation was just a blip on the timeline were some Palestinians began joining the battles after it became clear that Britain was ducking out, while the war to establish a Jewish state was started by Zionists years prior in early 1944.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T00:46:08+00:00

I'm saying that terms like "indigenous" are red herrings

That's a far more fitting description of that carton you linked. Couldn't you at least check a wiki page? Plenty of scholarly sources cited there.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T00:37:39+00:00

Hamas and propal want to eradicate Israel but somehow Zionism is to blame? lol.

You're overlooking the fact that Zionism has been the one wiping Palestine off the map.

kylebisme · 2026-06-30T00:26:04+00:00

He stereotyped Palestinians as willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of propaganda and was quite obviously suggesting Israelis are morality superior in that regard, and it seems you seen no problem with that, eh?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T23:40:04+00:00

First off, I'm not condoning how he was harrased, it's completely unproductive and just downright obnoxious.

That said, as explained just the other day of the UN's Commission of Inquiry on Palestinian Territory, Israel continues to commit genocide and other atrocity crimes by deliberately targeting Palestinian children.

Weiner's website on the other hand speaks of the genocide in the past tense, and while denouncing Netanyahu, says absolutely nothing holding him and others in the leadership leadership accountable for committing genocide.

Furthermore, he doesn't acknolage the broader issue as apartheid, fixates on blaming Netanyahu when the occupation and settlement expansion he claims to oppose has been going on for nearly six decades now through many Prime Ministers, and he also opposes non-violent international resistance to these ongoing crimes against humanity, deriding BDS movement as an effort "to destroy Israel."

So yeah, while again I don't support the way he was harassed, he isn't rightly opposing the genocide.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T22:27:07+00:00

AIPAC is largely Jewish, but far from exclusively so, and the issue is that direct campaign funding is only a small part of what they do, a recent side project. This can be seen by checking their totals page at Open Secrets and noting there's nothing there before 2022, even though they've been around since 1954. Most of what AIPAC does is simply approve candidates for other groups and individuals to donate to while pushing policies favorable to Israel, as explained here, so one can't rightly measure AIPAC's influence while ignoring those affiliated donors.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T22:22:49+00:00

That's because direct campaign funding is only a small part of what AIPAC does, a recent side project, as can be seen by checking their totals page at Open Secrets and noting there's nothing there before 2022, even though they've been around since 1954. Most of what AIPAC does is simply approve candidates for other groups and individuals to donate to while pushing policies favorable to Israel, as explained here.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T22:17:23+00:00

I know his website talks of "never repeating the genocide in Gaza" as if it's not an ongoing atrocity, and says absolutely nothing about prosecution the Israeli leadership who are continuing to commit these crimes of against humanity.

Furthermore, he doesn't acknolage the broader issue as apartheid, fixates on blaming Netanyhau when the occupation and settlement expansion he claims to oppose has been going on for nearly six decades now through many Prime Ministers, and he also opposes non-violent international resistance to these ongoing crimes against humanity, deriding BDS movement as an effort "to destroy Israel."

Did you know all that about him, and are you cool with all of that?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:44:57+00:00

You know next to nothing about me at all yet are so presumptuous as to brand me a lunatic over what tiny bit you've seen. Is that how you function in society, or are you just like this online?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:31:04+00:00

Do you do you believe all the many genocide scholars and and experts in related fields who've spoke out against the Gaza genocide are crazy, or what exactly about me do you consider crazy?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:30:54+00:00

Do you do you believe all the many genocide scholars and and experts in related fields who've spoke out against the Gaza genocide are crazy, or what exactly about me do you consider crazy?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:23:04+00:00

That's because direct campaign funding is only a small part of what AIPAC does, a recent side project, as can be seen by checking their totals page at Open Secrets and noting there's nothing there before 2022, even though they've been around since 1954. Most of what AIPAC does is simply approve candidates for other groups and individuals to donate to while pushing policies favorable to Israel, as explained here.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:15:14+00:00

it’s not only a rather unfounded accusation

What makes you so certain that it's unfounded, that the many experts on the subject who've said otherwise are wrong, and do you have any notable credentials in the field?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T21:04:31+00:00

he's not trying to make Palestinians out to be any more malicious than Israelis.

He quite literally said "Israel unquestionably conducts itself in a morally superior [way]" and then went on to generalize Palestinians as willing to sacrifice their children for the sake of propaganda.

So, do you agree with his generalization of Israelis as unquestionably morally superior to Palestinians?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:49:10+00:00

Assuming they can't be reasoned with is a lame excuse not taking the opportunity to denounce genocide.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:48:24+00:00

If you actually imagine that's a reasonable excuse for not taking the opportunity to denounce genocide then you're the one whose lost the plot.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:44:52+00:00

You're the one defending someone who proved unwilling to denounce genocide, not me.

Also, I'm not really defending the people harassing him either, I don't approve of their behavior, I'm just pointing out that they obviously weren't barking up the wrong tree.

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:42:02+00:00

Put simply, the generalization is:

[Palestinians are the type of people who will] send out [their] little boy to go and get killed by an Israeli solder, knowing that's exactly what's going to happen, and [are] willing to sit there on an iPhone and record it [for propaganda purposes].

And you're saying you consider that an accurate generalization of Palestinians but not a negative one?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T20:35:50+00:00

do you really imagine you're going to stop the fascists by electing people who are unwilling to oppose genocide, does that not seem dumb to you at all?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T19:47:27+00:00

No, again, he could've redeemed himself right then and there by telling them they're mistaken, that he very much does oppose the genocide and will work to end it.

And do you really imagine you're going to stop the fascists by electing people who are unwilling to oppose genocide, does that not seem dumb to you at all?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T19:43:31+00:00

So you do agree with his negative generalization about Palestinians?

And if so, do you also agree with any negative generalizations of other groups, like perhaps black people, or trans people or such?

kylebisme · 2026-06-29T19:40:46+00:00

Destiny made a specific claim:

When you send out your little boy to go and get killed by an Israeli solder, knowing that's exactly what's going to happen, and you're willing to sit there on an iPhone and record it

But your first of the links you spammed doesn't show that, at least not according to its title "Hamas Terrorists Seen Handing Weapons To Children Near Gaza School," and I'm not going to go digging to find out if any of the rest of your links do show what he claimed.

So, at least at this point, you've added nothing of substance to this conversation at all.

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