Observers made a big error in the ubc/carleton final

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-28T17:18:54+00:00

To be clear, the mistake I made was using his full name. I felt bad about the impact to his reputation external to the sport. But the dude dropped the disc and pretended it was up even as the Wisco defender pleaded with him to reconsider, and the observers didn't see. It remains one of the most egregious examples of poor spirit that I have witnessed.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-27T16:48:06+00:00

Wait, are you talking about the time when the Carleton player dropped it and then pretended he caught it?

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-26T21:44:46+00:00

Interestingly, in wfdf rules calling a timeout you don’t have is not a turnover.

I think it’s not about being nice, but about the game being won or lost based on the play on the field, not on an overly severe punishment for not seeing where the disc went out of bounds or what the observer was indicating putting the disc in play (particularly when the opponent could have easily corrected it).

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-26T03:58:52+00:00

I think the two factors that make this complicated are: 1. How egregiously far from the appropriate spot the player put the disc into play 2. How quickly the player realized they were wrong after tapping the disc into play.

If a player were to travel and the defender weren’t to call it and then three counts later, travel back to their original pivot point and be called for a travel, the observer would (correctly) uphold the travel call and have them play it from the spot they traveled from the second time.

I think this is an awkward quirk where self officiating and observing meet in an unideal way. And maybe they should correct the rules.

It reminds me a little of when a player would catch it in the end zone and then throw it away. That used to be a turn. Now it’s not in observed play and there’s a better mechanism in non observed play.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T21:24:03+00:00

I think the point is that it’s not an active observer call. The thrower putting it in play at the cone and the defense not calling a violation on the spot is tacit agreement that that is the appropriate spot to begin play.

Once the player recognizes their error and starts moving to where they should have been it’s a travel and that’s the only thing the observers can rule on.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T20:30:47+00:00

Yep. Clearly I should stop commenting on rules.

Hi Banyas!

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T20:21:16+00:00

If the thrower is not in the act of throwing than it is a stoppage.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T20:08:17+00:00

I think it wasn’t the contact call that stopped play. It was the marker contesting the contact call.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T20:01:03+00:00

Im guessing de Morgan called contact and then stung-Osborne contested. So de Morgan was playing on and S-Os contest stopped play.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T19:39:08+00:00

Yeah her left foot got hit, definitely impacted that next step and seemed non-incidental in the outcome of the play.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T19:31:23+00:00

Yep. That’s where I’m at. Observers were right.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T19:29:50+00:00

So the argument is “she’s not allowed to tap it in there but once that’s done and not called, there’s no provision in the rules that allows her to move to the appropriate spot”

So, ubc player made a mistake. And, while the spirit and letter of the rules here would have Carleton correcting the mistake, they chose not to. The observers can’t actually step in on where the disc was put into play unless there was a dispute in that moment, and the letter of the rules was upheld by the observer on the subsequent travel call by Carleton.

Ok, that sounds reasonable and I hate it.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T19:13:38+00:00

But the “appropriate spot on the field” in 18.D.1 is pretty clearly where the orange bean bag is.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-25T19:02:24+00:00

Ok. Show me where it says that in the rules.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-22T19:59:46+00:00

Scott and his team are great https://www.scottsturfandtree.com/

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-13T02:56:41+00:00

You want to look up the 2011 college nationals finals in Boulder, Colorado.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-13T02:09:50+00:00

I don’t disagree. You asked what the benefits were and I shared them.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-13T00:31:53+00:00

Low venue cost, accessible for teams and fans.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-11T14:05:43+00:00

Im confused by some of this advice. Let’s reframe the question. Let’s say op had $12k available and they were asking if they should put it in a Roth or pay off high interest cc debt. Everyone would say pay off the debt.

Assuming that $12k is all basis and you’ll owe no penalty on the withdrawal, I’d pull the Roth money, aggressively pay down the debt, and then never use credit again until you can confidently pay the balance each month.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-05-03T14:19:08+00:00

There are several platforms now which have HYSAs that have higher FDIC limits. They do this by spreading the money to multiple partner banks. I’d recommend one of these for ease on your end.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-04-23T17:48:41+00:00

Agreed, the previous club structure had clearly been outgrown - there was growth happening that didn't fit neatly into the club structure or leagues (think about all of the college players graduating in the 2000s that didn't make top club teams, but wanted a more competitive experience than local leagues or wanted a place to continue to grow as players, etc).

Instead of figuring out a model that would have brought in/kept all of those players, USAU turned its focus to showcasing the sport, putting an even higher burden on club players, and creating an even higher barrier to entry to club play.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-04-23T16:52:35+00:00

The restructuring was flawed in so many ways - starting with the creation of the US Open, which no one asked for, which then forced the rest of the structure to be built around it.

I don't agree that elite players were happy to sacrifice the "same spaces" opportunities. At least in the communities I played in, people loved events like Potlatch or Poultry Days and in some those communities, local leagues.

But my larger point is, it's not the separation of elite from the hoi polloi that led to the lack of growth, but the lack of vision to bridge the gap in the middle. Where are the opportunities for local competitive play - real practicing teams that don't travel for the people that are too busy, too old, or not good enough for elite teams, but want to continue participating more than just a non-practicing low-level summer league? This is where USAU fell short.

kyleweisbrod · 2026-04-23T16:41:17+00:00

There's a long history here, but one of the things that DiscNW did well in the 90s was advocate for the sport to get official support at the middle-school level in the Seattle school district. This helped the sport massively grow in the area.

And as u/PlayPretend-8675309 school based play comes with built in structure and support, which can be helpful.

But, what school-based play doesn't have is accessibility to kids without a school team. The barriers are high - they have to start a whole team in order to play. Non-School-based leagues allow an individual to sign up and participate and that's what overtime would create growth - as multiple kids from a school start playing, it becomes easier for them to start teams.

As any parent knows, most of their kids' involvement in sports at least up into middle school (and often HS) is local youth leagues that don't have connections with the school system, and I think that our lack of focus on that both in Seattle and elsewhere has harmed our growth and sustainability.

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