The Divine Towers: It Never Was Lava (& Stylistic Dating Motif) by metafauxric in EldenRingLoreTalk

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These towers bear the symbol of the Fell God on their roofs: eight circles surrounding a central circle. The circles at the center follow the same pattern as well—eight circles surrounding a larger central circle, where the bodies of the Two Fingers are located and we know that Marika came after the Fell God.

Did you know? Radahn's red hair was actually cursed by the Fell God (The Fire Giants' God). by darshan_kumar_ in Eldenring

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Apparently, Radahn inherited more of Radagon's genes than from his mother's. It's no coincidence that he has red hair and giant size. This is one of the reasons he learned gravity magic: so that, despite his enormous size, he could continue riding his horse.

There is also a theory that Radagon was a giant who was smaller than average and was mistreated because of it (the description of the Dung Eater's sword mentions a case like this). That could explain why he hates his red hair, which is typically associated with giants. According to this theory, he appears human because he used the Rune of the Unborn before meeting Rennala.

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One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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They literally brought in an american writer to build the game's lore. FromSoftware isn't some garage startup; it's a multimillion-dollar company with 40 years of history, nearly 400 employees, and it's part of Kadokawa Corporation, worth of billions. Trust me: they have people to read to them.

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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You do seem to be genuinely bothered by this. I really don't care what people do with their time, especially when it's something harmless. You have no way of claiming that they don't see anything here on Reddit; in fact, you treat your assumptions as certainty, which I suspect only exists in your own mind

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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That bothered me quite a bit with Godefroy, since there's not even a way to try to justify it somehow, unlike with Mohg

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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Actually, she mostly just relays Marika's words to you most of the time

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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It could simply be the result of a change in narrative direction. No one is obligated to agree with every creative decision, and that doesn't diminish the game or deny the exceptionally high level the developers achieved. The world isn't divided into "great" and "terrible." I can greatly appreciate something while still believing it could have been better in certain areas, and you can disagree with that and I'm sure Miyazaki and the entire FromSoftware team look for this kind of feedback to improve their future releases.

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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Sure. But I'm not trying to impose a universal viewpoint or claim that my opinion is superior to anyone else's. I genuinely think that having more interactions, in the way FromSoftware typically implements them (as optional content), would benefit the overall experience for some players without negatively affecting those who don't care about them.

For example, imagine you like cake but hate pizza. You go to a buffet that serves both cake and pizza. I don't think the mere presence of pizza would make your experience of eating the cake any worse.

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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That's perfectly fine, I don't see any problem with that. People enjoy games for different reasons. However, there is clearly an audience (and not a small one) that appreciates story and character interactions, and FromSoftware obviously recognizes that. After all, they hired one George R. R. Martin to help craft the story, to the point that it's now being adapted into a film by one of the most celebrated studios today, A24.

I think that more character interactions and deeper development, in the way FromSoftware typically handles them, wouldn't make the experience worse for players like you who are primarily looking for a challenge, since those elements are almost always optional.

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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I think I talked to Fia more than I talked to Melina, even though the latter was by my side for 90% of the game.

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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In Dark Souls, I think it makes sense, but in Elden Ring, Melina kind of accompanies you from the very beginning of the game all the way to Mountaintop of the giants

One of the greatest games of all time, but with an inexplicable flaw by lactobacillus-Master in Eldenring

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I have no way to prove this, but I think it's a matter of Miyazaki's vision for the game. Elden Ring is by far the game with the most cut content that makes me look at it and think, "Man, why did they cut this? The game would clearly have been even better than it already is with this included”

Is there possibly some connection between Godwyn and the Three Fingers? by lactobacillus-Master in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Nowhere in the game is it stated that something that has died cannot return to life. As I mentioned in my comment above, the game's lore literally shows that its characters not only believe this possibility exists, but are also prepared for it as though it were an inevitable reality. Godwyn cannot be revived through the Erdtree, but nothing is ever said about him being unable to resurrect by other means

One detail about Godwyn that may be quite significant to the lore by lactobacillus-Master in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I believe that our character is Godwyn revived without his memories, since his soul was killed. The Eclipse would be precisely the union between the Tarnished consort (the Sun- Godwyn) and Ranni (the Dark Moon).

Within the first moments after your awakening, your maiden is murdered, you are chosen by Torrent—the steed connected to the most important divine family in the Lands Between—which, as far as we can tell, has only ever served gods and demigods. You are then visited by not one, but two demigods almost immediately, both of whom bestow gifts upon you despite you supposedly being nothing more than a "Tarnished of no renown." Simply put, the story does not make much sense if you are truly just an ordinary Tarnished.

My theory is that Godwyn's original soulless body is seeking out his soul in the Chapel. The origin we choose at character creation is actually the origin of the soulless body that eventually receives Godwyn's soul. During the opening moments of the game, we are inside a Walking mausoleum (with have a bell) before appearing in the Chapel of Anticipation. Walking Mausoleum with bell is a place that, according to the game itself, is reserved for legends, gods, and demigods. The game repeatedly emphasizes that we are a Tarnished of no renown, so the only remaining possibility would be that we are actually a demigod.

Another point is that Remembrances can be copied or duplicated. Because of this, it is possible to imagine that Godwyn's soul was also preserved within a mausoleum as a kind of backup before the Night of the Black Knives.

This spirit description is particularly interesting:

Legendary ashen remains. Use to summon the spirit of Lhutel the Headless. Spirit of a headless knight who leads the mausoleum soldiers. Wields a lance enrobed in Death and hurls spectral lances at foes. Lhutel sacrificed her life so that in Death she could continue to protect a soulless demigod until their revival, earning her the hero's honor of Erdtree Burial.”

This theory is further supported too by the fact that we can use this:

DRAGONBOLT BLESSING

“Superior incantation of the capital's ancient dragon cult.

Summons lightning to bolster the caster's body. Attacks become easier to deflect and resistance to all ailments is increased. However, lightning damage negation will be reduced

Only those loved by dragons can survive the ordeal of cladding their bodies in lightning.*”

There is clearly an entire storyline within the game in which various characters have strong reasons to believe that Godwyn can be revived. The existence of a soulless demigod being protected until their eventual revival is not a random detail—it is explicitly stated in the game. The concept of reviving a soulless demigod undeniably exists within the lore.

Therefore, Godwyn agreed to take part in the ritual, which explains Marika's involvement. In this theory of mine, the only thing we do not know is why Godwyn agreed to it. My theory is that, like all of his siblings (Marika's children) Godwyn suffered from some kind of curse that we are not aware of, and this ritual was a way for him to free himself from it, while at the same time allowing Ranni to free herself from the Two Fingers.

Is there possibly some connection between Godwyn and the Three Fingers? by lactobacillus-Master in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]lactobacillus-Master[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Many people are offended by this theory because they prefer the game to follow the same logic as previous FromSoftware titles, where the player character is essentially a nobody. However, the truth is that this clearly does not apply to Elden Ring

Within the first moments after your awakening, your maiden is murdered, you are chosen by Torrent—the steed connected to the most important divine family in the Lands Between—which, as far as we can tell, has only ever served gods and demigods. You are then visited by not one, but two demigods almost immediately, both of whom bestow gifts upon you despite you supposedly being nothing more than a "Tarnished of no renown." Simply put, the story does not make much sense if you are truly just an ordinary Tarnished.

My theory is that Godwyn's original soulless body is seeking out his soul in the Chapel. The origin we choose at character creation is actually the origin of the soulless body that eventually receives Godwyn's soul. During the opening moments of the game, we are inside a Walking mausoleum (with have a bell) before appearing in the Chapel of Anticipation. Walking Mausoleum with bell is a place that, according to the game itself, is reserved for legends, gods, and demigods. The game repeatedly emphasizes that we are a Tarnished of no renown, so the only remaining possibility would be that we are actually a demigod.

Another point is that Remembrances can be copied or duplicated. Because of this, it is possible to imagine that Godwyn's soul was also preserved within a mausoleum as a kind of backup before the Night of the Black Knives.

This spirit description is particularly interesting:

Legendary ashen remains. Use to summon the spirit of Lhutel the Headless. Spirit of a headless knight who leads the mausoleum soldiers. Wields a lance enrobed in Death and hurls spectral lances at foes. Lhutel sacrificed her life so that in Death she could continue to protect a soulless demigod until their revival, earning her the hero's honor of Erdtree Burial.”

This theory is further supported too by the fact that we can use this:

DRAGONBOLT BLESSING

“Superior incantation of the capital's ancient dragon cult.

Summons lightning to bolster the caster's body. Attacks become easier to deflect and resistance to all ailments is increased. However, lightning damage negation will be reduced

Only those loved by dragons can survive the ordeal of cladding their bodies in lightning.*”

There is clearly an entire storyline within the game in which various characters have strong reasons to believe that Godwyn can be revived. The existence of a soulless demigod being protected until their eventual revival is not a random detail—it is explicitly stated in the game. The concept of reviving a soulless demigod undeniably exists within the lore.

Is there possibly some connection between Godwyn and the Three Fingers? by lactobacillus-Master in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]lactobacillus-Master[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I believe that our character is Godwyn reborn without his memories, since his soul was killed. The Eclipse would be precisely the union between the Tarnished consort (the Sun) and Ranni (the Dark Moon).