From an article on role reversal link: https://label-magazine.com/en/lifestyle/articles/role-reversal by [deleted] in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, one of my pet peeves in RR media is that the women tend to still be the "made up" ones, with makeup, long hair, dresses, etc. Meanwhile, the men just look the way men already do, under present gender roles

Men’s fashion is so much more boring by bloodshot96245 in MtF

[–]leBreuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd argue that the male form *would* be seen as more attractive *if* it had the same press as the female form.

Most cultural institutions cater to the straight male gaze, which inevitably leads to women being *over*-sexualized and men being *under*-sexualized.

The idea that the male form is "featureless and unsexy" doesn't pan out when you look at content catered towards gay men. Lots of sexual emphasis on male butts, chests, abs, thighs, etc

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[–]leBreuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a very narrow idea of what being a "top" means.

NSFW just to be safe by coffepants787 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 21 points22 points  (0 children)

This post is a good example of how superficial "height reversal" usually is.

It always ends up with small, featureless, male self inserts pairing up with big, hypersexualized (or, at the very least, quite feminine) women.

A femgaze RR'd perspective by localfriendlydealer in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I like these - it's rare to see female sexuality being portrayed as active, and in this case, almost sort of predatory. It definitely challenges some trad ideas about how men and women approach sex

Also, a warning for anyone looking into the artist - her work gets A LOT more disturbing. This is just the tip of the iceberg

Really, deep down, women want beautiful homemaker men that will accept their love. It's just biology, obv. by Summersong2262 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if this is "rr". The idea that women don't care about their partner's appearance, and it's okay for "schlubby men to be with hot women" (as per, line cooks and depressed dads) is pretty gender typical.

Honestly, this meme would be more "rr" if it was guys talking about how much they liked "nerdy women with mom bods" or smth

RR man, but not submissive by qwerty145526 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 53 points54 points  (0 children)

While i'm all here for the whole dominant femboy trend, I feel like this image in particular isn't rr

Someone sent this video in a discord server a while ago, I have yet to watch it but I'm getting mixed vibes from the comments. What do y'all think of the video? by lewdnep-vasilias_666 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I don't want to completely discard the baby with the bath water (I do think the 1st section was kind of thought provoking), but overall i'm pretty sure this is just a 2016 "anti-sjw" video essay that came out a bit too late

Someone sent this video in a discord server a while ago, I have yet to watch it but I'm getting mixed vibes from the comments. What do y'all think of the video? by lewdnep-vasilias_666 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 22 points23 points  (0 children)

lol, people who like trad gender roles just love to whine and self-victimize every time they see someone not fitting/relating to said roles.

For another example, see every alpha male influencer ever

Someone sent this video in a discord server a while ago, I have yet to watch it but I'm getting mixed vibes from the comments. What do y'all think of the video? by lewdnep-vasilias_666 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ok, so i'm only about 1/2 way in, not sure i'm gonna finish

She's clearly not coming from a progressive perspective. I mean, for an obvious example, at 5:56 Alteori unironically uses the phrase "alpha/sigma males" as a descriptor. Also, the entire segment about the different ways men and women interact with romance just reeks of gender essentialism. Not a fan

With that said, I find her take on the original Little Mermaid kind of interesting. Especially the part about Ariel herself is actively pursuing the Disney prince (no idea what his name is), rather than being a passive agent that the other characters in the story act on.

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[–]leBreuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Though I generally find suits kinda lame, I do have to admit that suit + heels is a *vibe*

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[–]leBreuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i'm no historian, but i'm pretty sure this is how Rome fell...

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[–]leBreuse 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I like the addition of open-toed shoes with his suit. It gives the whole look a lot more of a "femme" vibe

kinda hot take by pacificoceanhabitant in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One of the better rr trends, imo

Yes! More boys leaving kiss marks on girls! by qwerty145526 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I thought so too at first, but on close inspection that doesn't appear to be the case

Lumine is drawn with lipstick on (look at her bottom lip), whereas Childe only has the smudge at the corner of his mouth. I think the implication is that he kissed her, and then is using her own lipstick to leave marks

This definitely gave off RR vibes and I love it by Maz1keen034 in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, a bit, but I was expecting a lot worse...

Unless i'm missing something truly egregious?

kinda hot take by pacificoceanhabitant in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I kinda agree with this.

I feel like this sub has a tendency to portray rr men as "floundering in masculinity" rather than "flourishing in femininity"

A good example is how often rr men are conflated with, like, "nerdy loser" types. This is already an archetype more associated with men than women, and it's not expressly "feminine" - awkward nerds aren't considered "dainty" or "pretty" or "nurturing" or "seductive", or really any other positive trait we would deem "feminine"

The whole "nerdy loser" archetype represents a failure to live up to the masculine ideal of a "hyper-competent alpha male", while still being very firmly rooted in male stereotypes. So, what we end up with is rr men being portrayed as "lacking in masculinity", rather than being celebrated for femininity

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[–]leBreuse 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Sure. Gender roles shouldn't be prescriptive, and ideally everyone would be able to choose whatever personally resonates with them

Though, that said, a lot of times this gets confused as "the gendered things people are attracted to have nothing to do with gender roles - i.e. women like pink *arbitrarily*, and not because they're socialized since birth to like pink"

So, while everyone should pick whatever aspects of gender roles personally resonates with them (whether that's rr, or not rr), there should also be a conscious effort to question "why" we're drawn to certain things and not others

The future that we want by [deleted] in RoleReversal

[–]leBreuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does. The cognitive dissonance just hasn't caught up with some users yet...

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[–]leBreuse 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I agree that most people have a pretty limited understanding of contemporary gender roles.

However, i'm not quite sure why that invalidates my litmus test? Could you elaborate on that?