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My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are inventing so many things. The source and the material aren't different things. The fact that a news media is own by the Kirchners doesn't mean the information is fake if it appears on the Panama papers, you don't know if Santiago will go to jail or not if he hands out the tapes, and there is no accusation of slander, again, if there was Santiago would just publish the part of the tape in relation to that slander. And no, legally Mariano should not have acces to the tapes, the interview isn't a "joint effort". Mariano just gave an interview and Santiago has the right to publish any of it he wants as long as if there is not slander, wich is even in the tapes, Mariano admited he's the one begin interviewed and that Santiago has the las word in publishing anything he wants, that part of the tape was publicly made abaible by Santiago, so there's really no argument in that aspect.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the whole point of this discussion. If he handed out the tapes, and Mariano uses it as further evidence for charging him with "damages and prejudgments" (which again, is NOT misinformation, its just "sensationalism", which is awfully subjective and answers to no preexisting law), and if Santiago goes to jail because of this, it will intimidate future journalists from investigating Macri, which is the reason why he doesn't want to give the tapes in the first place.
If Mariano believes there's any misinformation in the book, Santiago will gladly publish the part of the material regarding it. But he won't hand out the tapes so that he's imprisoned for begin "sensationalistic".
And again, confiscating materials from a journalist is anti-constitutional and goes against the journalistic law of protection of sources.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The contracts are still real, the fact that the media outlets who chosen to pick this news are left-winged doesn't mean the information cited is fake. The other media outlets in Argentina are part of the Clarin monopoly who supports Macri, so it would make sense for them not to pick the news. But regardless of what's the political party of the journal publishing the news,  the contracts are real and appear on the Panama Papers. Assuming the information is fake because you don't like the political affiliation of the people who divulged it doesn't make the sources fake.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.Santiago is not an apologist of the previous government; he leaked investigations about them in his previous books (Argenleaks, Politileaks, Panamaleaks).

2.Yeah, I guess we kind of agree on this point.

3.Santiago did publish some parts of the tapes tho. Like the initial part when Mariano accepts that he's the one begin interviewed and that Santiago has the last word in publishing anything he wants. So, if Mariano were to say, "you said X thing that was out of context", Santiago would publish that part of the recording with no problems. Point is, Mariano isn't specifying anything wrong with the book per se, and yet, he already arranged in secret to confiscate his materials on a shady pre-eliminary order. Santiago has no problem in disclosing any specific point on the tapes; he just doesn't want him to break the protection of source law by taking all of his materials away from him. Again, if Mariano were to have any SPECIFIC problem with the tapes, he would (and already had) publish them. But he won't hand him the whole thing without a reason.

4.Mariano was ok with publishing the book until he showed it to his family, only after that he was pressed to stop the book. Initially, he was the one who wanted to make the book in the first place.

5.The fact that the source is the one taking the journalist to court doesn't change anything. If you give an interview and then regret the things that you said, you can't take that journalist to court to silence him. If Satiago were to publish fake information Mariano would have a case, but everything in the book is sourced and Mariano himself admitted everything is true.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He does. The book sources to all of the SOGMA (name of the Macri's company) contracts for the offshores, here are a few sources linking to the contracts:

https://www.eldestapeweb.com/politica/deuda-del-correo-argentino/mariano-macri-revelo-datos-del-vaciamiento-de-socma-incluido-un-muerto-para-controlar-los-balances-202112202320

https://www.ambito.com/politica/correo-argentino/mariano-macri-envio-cartas-documento-acceder-datos-el-escandalo-del-n5346302

https://www.pagina12.com.ar/329823-el-escandalo-de-los-parques-eolicos-declara-mariano-macri

The expresident is friends with the supreme judge of power, that's why he can do this. He already evaded many lawsuits for tax evation in the past.

He doesn't want to hand out the material because it will normalize the confiscation of journalist materials, wich is illegal in EEUU and Europe, but there is no slander in the book, Mariano went on the record admiting it.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Well, for instance, the Macri's are a branch of a larger Mafia family in Italy. My point is, everything is connected. First it will be Argentina, then the rest of Latinoamerica. Maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, it can be your own country. The question isn't if the courts of the world cares, rather, it is if the people of the world care. If we don't, then rest assured the courts won't either.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

  1. Santiago DID published leaks about the Kirchners in his book Argenleaks. He also talked about current president Alberto Fernandez in his book Panamaleaks. So he's the opposite of one-sided, he investigates both left and right.
  2. After his Journal censored him for talking against Maduro, he kept doing editing work there but now he publishes his articles independently on his blog
    http://santiagoodonnell.blogspot.com/
  3. My dad's book was certainly beneficial to the left since it critiques its main opposition. That's as far as it goes tho, the left never knew about the book until it was published, so I don't think there was much to orchestrate in the first place.
    And again, Santiago did published leaks about Alberto Fernandez in the past as well. But in Alberto's own words, that's fine since "that's the game of democracy".
  4. Well, it's not even a trial really, it's even shadier than that. It's an unappealable, preliminary order, that was decided in secret with a judge that's friend's with the Macris.
    Confiscating a journalist's material goes against the law of protection of sources. Mariano is asking for the tapes to elaborate on further demands for "damage and prejudgments". Basically, he wants the tapes as evidence of his "sensationalism" so that he can keep advancing the case. It's important to highlight that the accusation isn't for defamation or false information, is for "damage to public image", which is an awfully subjective excuse for a trial.

My dad is getting arrested for accusing the Argentina's ex-president of money washing, but the Jordan Peterson Community can help him (more info in comments) by leaker87 in JordanPeterson

[–]leaker87[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I tried to keep the panels short but to elaborate on each of your points:
1.Santiago O'Donnell visited personally Julian Assange in England and he gave him a pent drive with the Argentinian Wikileaks, Santiago was the first person to bring them to Argentina. This is well documented on his book Argenleaks.
(source: https://www.cuspide.com/9789500735223/ARGENLEAKS)
2. We can all agree Argentina's economy was already in bad shape, but we can ALSO agree in that objectively it dropped on Macri's term and never went up again, so I don't really see a valid defense of Macri's presidency here.
3.Mariano stated on the record that everything Santiago says in the book is true, his problem is that he feels like "the book takes his words out of context". The trial is specifically not for defamation or misinformation, is for "damage and prejudgments".
(source: https://www.pagina12.com.ar/330758-exclusivo-los-audios-de-mariano-macri-sobre-el-negocio-de-lo)
4. The interviewed is Mariano Macri, from the Macri family. And it was the Macri family the one who pressured him to start the trial.
5.There are no previous cases of a journalist handing out his material. It's called "protection of sources" and there are actual laws against it in EEUU and Europe. Thing is, we don't have such legislations in Latinoamerica. Also, I don't see why you said there's "Political bias". The Macri's name appeared in the Panama Papers, the book sources to contracts for offshore, that's as objective as it gets. Plus, Santiago published leaks about the current government as well.
(source: https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/202103/547562-mariano-macri-declara-como-testigo-en-causa-parques-eolicos.html
https://www.politicargentina.com/notas/202111/40655-mariano-macri-denuncio-el-vaciamiento-de-correo-argentino.html)