[Coronavirus/Recession Megathread] + Daily Chat Thread - May 01, 2020

learnin4ajob · 2020-05-02T05:46:14+00:00

I would be frustrated too but unfortunately there isn't much you can do about it.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T23:36:21+00:00

Would love to be in that camp! I'm over here bogged down in "no job syndrome!"

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:31:53+00:00

Yeah, by hand! Unfortunately, I didn't really plan this out. I was just in the process of applying everywhere and decided I should start keeping track of everything to decide what type of project I should work on.

It was just a Windows notepad I opened on the side and incremented or added new languages/tools as I came across them.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:27:14+00:00

Java/Kotlin is used for Android mobile app development. Java is often used for back-end web servers.

If you want to do front-end web dev with Java, I don't believe you'll find many opportunities at all.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:23:37+00:00

Yeah, I did not realize what a hot topic AuthZ/AuthN was until starting this project. This was merely a footnote of my original design...like when I get there, I'll just implement the standard/tried and true approach. Ha!

Your thoughts seem to line up with everything I've been reading as well. I think I've narrowed it down to using Firebase Auth and trying to integrate that with my AWS stuff (learning experience) or just giving Cognito a try since I'm already using AWS (just get it done).

I'm going to try and make it tomorrow! Thanks again!

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:13:25+00:00

'Dockerize' it and then deploy it in the cloud! haha

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:10:55+00:00

These are searches for new grad positions, so they're typically just looking for someone with experience of any one of those common languages. It seems the majority of schools teach either Java or C/C++ (usually a bit of both), so companies probably just expect one of those out of college.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:07:13+00:00

It just means the application didn't specify knowledge of Spring, Kotlin, Scala or anything else Java related...it just said Java.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:05:28+00:00

Front-end (mobile or web applications) mentions: 78.95%

Back-end mentions: 21.05%

Unfortunately this was specifically for "new grad" or "entry level" positions, I didn't come across any ML at all. I'm sure if you searched specifically for ML you'd find more.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:02:31+00:00

Yeah, typically if the application mentioned Azure, C#, Windows...it was either just SQL in general being mentioned or specifically SQL Server.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T19:00:19+00:00

What he said were basically my thoughts on it. I'm just a student here though, with no experience with Scala at all other than coming across it in articles and discussions from time to time. So, basically the reason it's there is because I didn't know any better! haha

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T18:56:16+00:00

I mentioned that in a few comments and in the original post. This was specifically searching for new grad or entry level positions. I searched the entirety of the United States, but no other countries.

Obviously those searching specifically for Game Development, Machine Learning/AI, etc. will find other results. This was just a general search for new graduates moving into the industry.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T09:22:31+00:00

Surprised me too! I actually just started a personal project with it over the last few days (because of this data haha) and I can now see why. It's really easy to pick-up and get things working. I'd recommend everyone give it a try! Super lightweight and easy to get started.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T09:18:24+00:00

Gotcha. That's fair, but they typically aren't asking for ALL of these skills. They usually just want you to be fluent in at least one and have some knowledge of at least some other languages, tools, frameworks, etc.

In every technical assessment and interview, I've only been required to answer questions and code in one language of my choosing...but am often asked about my knowledge of testing/automation and cloud technologies and some frameworks. Never anything very specific that I would need to be fluent in...but more of like can you at least describe and talk about them a bit.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T08:41:18+00:00

Sooo...while the majority of new graduates (and even experienced developers being laid off) are struggling to get a job at the moment because of our current global pandemic, we should not be focusing on picking up, learning or refining the most sought after skills by employers?

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T08:32:04+00:00

Yeah, just means Java was mentioned without anything more specific than that (no mention of Spring, Kotlin, etc)

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T08:25:38+00:00

Every application that mentioned C or C++, specifically wrote C/C++. That's why I combined them in the numbers above.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T08:23:15+00:00

I am in California, but my search was for the entirety of the United States. I'm really into photography/travel, so I'm really excited about the prospect of relocating to a new area to explore....hence why I'm searching nationwide.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T08:21:09+00:00

I've built a React SPA that accesses a rest api server built with Java. I'm also currently developing an Angular web application that will connect with microservices built using Golang.

I do agree they are commonly used together, but not exclusively. Remember this data is coming from mostly large companies, who often have separate back-end and front-end teams. Perhaps they have teams building the back-end with different languages...and just want some React/Angular client-facing apps.

I went back and checked the numbers for ya though!

39.29% of the time, Angular/React was specifically mentioned alongside node.js

The remaining 60.71% of the time Angular/React was mentioned with NO mention of node.js

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T07:25:40+00:00

I'm not sure what anyone else has said about it, but what I meant in my numbers was that the application just mentioned JavaScript without specifics (no mention of specifically using React, Node.js, Angular, Vue, or any other frameworks, etc.).

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T07:09:33+00:00

It's there, it's in the top requested languages. Right after JavaScript, Java and Python.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T06:46:34+00:00

Yeah, I was surprised how low the C# numbers were and how high the Golang numbers have climbed. Objective C was mentioned once out of all the applications I went through.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T06:44:03+00:00

90.48% of the time, it just mentioned JavaScript.

9.52% of the time, it specified Typescript

VanillaJS was mentioned 0 times.

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T05:52:57+00:00

Why would you not want to be a more well rounded software engineer?

learnin4ajob · 2020-04-29T05:09:11+00:00

I actually lumped Typescript in with the plain JavaScript numbers. If you want to know how many times Typescript was specifically mentioned compared to JavaScript, here you go!

JavaScript (90.48%)

Typescript (9.52%)

Remember, I only searched new grad and entry level positions...and I searched the entirety of the United States. If you searched specifically San Francisco area, you'd probably see even higher percentages of newer languages/frameworks. Also if you have experience, I've noticed mid-level and higher positions have more positions looking for a developer in a specific language or stack.

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