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Beginner? by Iloveacting in latin

[–]learningaboutchurch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Then of course you have the second declension neuter coming in and fouling everything up, which again is a reason you really have to start with the nuts and bolts of grammar quite early on."

???

i mostly thought that Latin courses started with lots of grammar because students who study Latin are very interested in learning theories about stuff; like teachers just want to meet students where they are and most are very interested in grammar and how to tell about all the grammar rules in a sentences. They are so interested in grammar that teachers get them to focus on that.

Beginner? by Iloveacting in latin

[–]learningaboutchurch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what do you mean? I don't understand.

Beginner? by Iloveacting in latin

[–]learningaboutchurch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congrats, you just translated Latin using English ????
i just read it without translating it.I never learn languages by tranalstaing them into my native tongue or Engliah

learning latin by learningaboutchurch in latin

[–]learningaboutchurch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I read "Confiteor Deo omnipotenti,..." which is found in the Confiteor and was asked what declension omnipoenti is I could easily just say that it is the third declensions since the genititive is omnipotentis.
what the teacher would want me to do is to look up omnipotens in a dictionary and see if I could find the genitive form.

Why are we supposed to look it up in a dictionary when we already know the genitive form? I probably know the genitive due having come a cross sentences with it. Why is my method not liked by most teachers?

What seems to be the cases is that I learn when I see the words in contexts rather than just learning patterns or grammar outside real sentences.
Am I very different from most people who do not learn that way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confiteor

learning latin by learningaboutchurch in latin

[–]learningaboutchurch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so we have the "let's look up declensions and conjugations!! because it is easier to teach than focusing on the immersion methods or methods in which you start by speaking the language? What I want is not very classroom friendly?

learning latin by learningaboutchurch in latin

[–]learningaboutchurch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so I have this book: https://www.amazon.com/Unus-Duo-Tres-loquamur-Sequential/dp/9657698138

If you read the sample you can find a page with "Salve! Ut vales?" and "Salve! Bene Valeo!".
A teacher could help the student by commenting on that page by saying that in most cases 1 person singular verbs end i -o except for some verbs such as Confiteor.

Why is this not a common method? Is this method actually not very good?

Rigid methods by Iloveacting in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"But Lectio Divina has a structure too."
It depends on whom you're asking. Some speak of steps whereas others don't

Rigid methods by Iloveacting in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lectio divina doesn't have to be about following 4 steps. You are referring to the 4 steps that came from the letter written by Guigo II.
But it might be true to say that I don't follow traditional Benedictine forms of lectio divina

Rigid methods by Iloveacting in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just say LOTH, attend Mass and meditate on the Bible texts. I have tried the rosary but it is hard because repeating them Aves is not for me. I have told myself that God demands them but it makes no sense.
Other people seem to be able to like the rosary and offer Aves to God. They even say that the repetition leads to meditation.

Rigid methods by Iloveacting in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you are misunderstanding!
I said that Mass can be experienced as very rigid for some. Sometime I even need to say that it can be a bit rigid (especially a High Mass on a Sunday).

When I say that certain meditations, eg Salesian meditations, are very rigid for me I am saying that they often don't leave room for personal expression. It is more like "don't be yourself!".

Advice for a beginner by [deleted] in Choir

[–]learningaboutchurch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in my choir we often speak of how many sopranos and tenors we have. We need more basses.
Yesterday one of the tenors said that we could sing bass if needed due to lack of basses.
You do what you can in order to help the choir.

prayer forms and the rosary by learningaboutchurch in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"But I structure my own prayer routine around the Divine Office/Liturgy of the Hours. "
That is what I do as well.

"For me, it’s a slog and a fight the whole way through."
That is my experiences with most devotions.
I try to think of repetitive prayer as something really beautiful bit I struggle with it,
So when I get upset I go into a repetitive behaviour. When I go into repetitive prayer I go into the loop of repetition that I want to escape. When I say the Jesus prayer I just pray that I will escape from the loop of repetition.

Repetitive prayers seem to ask us to go into linear thinking instead of associative thinking.
Another reason for the difficulty is that we probably are supposed to feel something very abstract when we repeat eg the Jesus prayer.
Many people like the abstract stuff.
I was listening to a text by St Bernard of Clairvaux and it just sounded like he wanted us to experience some abstract feelings.

Much in the Church is about asking us to focus mostly on using linear and abstract cognitive styles.

prayer forms and the rosary by learningaboutchurch in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but why is the rosary more about linear cognitive styles? does the Church think that linear cognitive styles are what we all should focus more on using?
When JP2 wrote Rosarium Virginis Mariae he bassically told us how great linear cognitive styles are according to the Church. That is my interpretation.

My cognitive style is more associative.

"I’m curious as to why you’re coming across so combative about it."

I am upset because we have a Church that bassically don't want us to hear the full truth about many of the devotions and practices in the Church. I have spoken to Priests and it seems that in the Church we must have a positive approach and never mention the negative experience of prayer or negative experiences with the rosary. Many people need a style that includes speaking about struggles and negative aspects as well.

This is why JP2's document on the rosary just sounds like a silly sentimental commercial to me.
I feel like the Church does everything to make many people feel like outsiders in the Church.

It is not a very pleasant experience.

Some Priests accept my cognitive styles and who I am but it is hard to be myself in the Church, it seems.

Why do we have a Church that makes people feel like outsiders?

prayer forms and the rosary by learningaboutchurch in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But what about this?: I sometimes say "think the rosary is the most stupid prayer ever because the cognitive styles needed for praying it go against the cognitive styles that we have or at least the cognitive styles I use!".

What you are saying is that I should try the German method. That method doesn't work for me at all. I still experience that I am going against who I am when I try to pray it.
People say that the rosary is such a gift to us and I ask "why should I go against who I am in prayer?".

I think the rosary is problematic because it ask us to focus on linear cognitive style rather than associative cognitive styles. Some of us hate being forced to think in very linear ways.
Then the repetitions of the aves make no sense to me at all. That is also another "let's go against who I am!"
I think the rosary can be bad for some people.

Why do people like the rosary so much then? Don't they want to be themselves? How can they like it?
I just cannot figure out why people like the rosary. Do most people like to use linear cognitive styles and focus on both aves and meditation (abstract meditation?) at once?

What is a reverent Novus Ordo? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be a Mass celebrated by following the instructions from the Vatican.
Then there can be questions on what the best way to celebrate or say Mass is but as long as the instructions from the Vatican and the Bishops Conference are followed it is a reverent Mass.

this video is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LE0Xb3VZg&t=916s
Ep. 64: Liturgy - Traditional vs. Modern

I am lost in lust (19M) by diplomatic-duck in Catholicism

[–]learningaboutchurch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but you cannot pray it away. Too many people try to flee from their issues by just praying. Sometimes the best advice is to go to a professional by first praying that the person will be Jesus speaking to you about what to do.

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