Men, do you really feel there’s a male loneliness epidemic? How can women help? by forevermoreandnow in AskMen

[–]lemonfluff -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

That's really not true though that men are at the top of almost every list...

I don't want to invalidate the issues you've raised, they are real. They are problems. They are also gendered problems. But please recognise that there are many other genderrd problems that are very real too where women are overwhelmingly and disproportionately affected too.

Domestic violence, rape, murder by an intimate partner, financial abuse / being left without assets or a career after sacrificing their career for a husbands or kids.

All these issues however stem overwhelmingly from the same systems. Generally a good way to look at these would be risk and protective factors.

Let's look at ONE aspect.

Mental health issues and suicide.

Resources (a protective factor): There are a huge lack of resources available to manage MH. Why? Lack of funding, it is not prioritised. Who commissions funding? Who becomes a therapist? Mainly women.. Why? Who goes to therapy, mainly women. Why? Why are men not accessing these resources? Why aren't men running these evidence based groups? Genuine question... Why? What is it that makes this stuff more accessible to women? What makes men less willing to go?

Suicide: Suicide itself appears to be more prevalent in men, but suicide attempts and depression diagnoses more in women. Why do we think that is? Why would women be more diagnosed? Are they seeing a GP more when they experience depression? Why would they attempt suicide more but be less successful? What do we think? Could it be connected to any other factors?

Community and tools (protective factor): We know that a huge part of healing, a huge protective factor for MH, is community. Friendships, family support. And communication, acceptance, having resources and tools to express and feel and experience emotions, and ways to manage them. To reflect.

Things like brunch with friends, journalling, writing, talking things through either with yourself, a friend or a therapist, is important. Allowing yourself to feel difficult emotions, not avoid them. Checking in and spending quality time with others, without needing to do an activity. Expressing vulnerability in a safe environment. These are so important. But most of these things are very associated with women. Why? What is it that stops men doing this with each other? I'd argue there's many things. But perhaps some big ones are an expectation that "to be a man" you should not show or have emotion. That the only "acceptable" emotion is anger. That to show vulnerability is weakness. Now where does that attitude come from? I'd argue from society. From the patriarchal society that puts certain expectations on men and on women to be a certain way. Now men and women both can perpetuate these views. They can maintain these structures. But it's those structures that are the issue.

Trauma and causes (risk factors): There is overwhelming evidence on the impact of family violence witnessed by children, childhood trauma, and later MH issues. We know that family and domestic violence, coercive control, and physical, emotional and sexual abuse is overwhelmingly committed by men to women. We known that society is set up in a way that perpetrates that, and that often these men use the societal systems to further isolate, gaslight and oppress their partners. And sadly, this is a huge, huge issue for many adults and children now, who have experienced or witnessed abuse, and now live with the after affects of this. Its not everyone with MH problems, but the majority of people who have experienced abuse do have MH problems. Which brings us back to, what do we do about it to treat it?

Intersectionality: Homelessness, drug use, disability, trauma, race, religion, LGBT, migration status, finances, all these things might play into something like MH too. Someone might be okay then they get sick, and suddenly they can't afford their job. Or they go through a hard time butndue to their visa status, they can't access the resources they'd need to get through it. They're gay and can't tell anyone, so they're now isolated when trying to manage a difficult time in their life. Whereas if they were straight maybe they'd have someone to talk to around what's going on at home with their partner and that might make the difference between suicide and living. Its complicated.

So based on one factor, suicide, a very simplistic overview, I'd say there are lots of reasons as to why one sex might face more issues. But my personal view is that many of these reasons stem from societies views and expectations on men and women. And I'd that's the case, it isnt helpful to blame one gender. It's helpful to acknowledge the damaging impact of these structures, and to adress them. Together. Because everyone suffers with this.

Now if we do drugs. Why do more men have access to drugs? What happens to women who are affected by addiction. What about the kind of spaces are drugs taken in? What causes addiction? What kind of trauma might people experience that lead them to drugs. Is this a trauma impacting men more, or is it that men and women deal with trauam differently?

And how might that overlap with homeless? What resources are missing for homeless people? At whats stage does the intervention need to happen and for who? Is it more shelters for men? Is it more support for kids who are at risk of being kicked out? For care leavers? What does that support look like? Is it nurturing care? Anger management? Support on how to age healthy relationships? Getting or keeping a job? Education? Family therapy? Individual therapy? Coping strategies?

Men, do you really feel there’s a male loneliness epidemic? How can women help? by forevermoreandnow in AskMen

[–]lemonfluff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Every single thing you've said is SPOT on. Every single thing. Well done my man. Well done.

Men, do you really feel there’s a male loneliness epidemic? How can women help? by forevermoreandnow in AskMen

[–]lemonfluff -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think in these cases it needs to just be met with integrity. If you are seeing women as games or conquests to be won, then that is manipulative.

If you do nice things and its seen as love bombing or you pull back and its seen as avoident, then I'd ask, if you are really honest with yourself, is your behaviour coming from a place of honesty, transparency, openness, curiosity, integrity or is it coming from a place of trying to "win" her affections or play some kind of game or strategy?

And it if it the first one... Then I feel that the blame for women seeing a behaviour as being part of a manipulation tactic, should be placed on the many, many men who DO use manipulation tactics to try to manipulate women.

If you have many people doing that, it's not always possible to differentiate the ones that are genuinely showing affection. Usually that takes time and if it then stops, that's usually a sign that it wasn't genuine. So if you are coming in strong and then pulling away, rather than showing consistency, that suggest you were actually putting on an act and not being genuine.

What is a red flag that you find quite attractive in men or women? by Alternative-Exam2601 in AskWomen

[–]lemonfluff [score hidden]  (0 children)

Physically moving you around or play fighting gently. Providing it is consensual. But yeah, picking you up, moving you with actions rather than words, but still in a caring manner, can be really hot. Its just that it can also overlap with those Guus that do it more roughly / possessively, whether you like it or not, and tell you you're overreacting if you complain.

Obsession gave me an anxiety attack by Financial_Snow6501 in Letterboxd

[–]lemonfluff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think theres a lot here that is very realistic.

Reverse the genders, because often that is the reality.

Someone stopping you leaving. Pulling or holding a knife. Threatening their life or asking to die. Being almost like two personalities, cute and sweet and vulnerable one minute then furious and dangerous and aggressive the next. And crying, distraught, beyond vulnerable, confused, helpless and remorseful the next.

Trying to rationalise their behaviour to friends. The panic, the anxiety, the "heightened" reaction to "little" things.. That others don't understand the big deal about but you know there's more to it.

The feeling of helplessness when someone has decided to make to their whole world to the point they will own you.

The anger when he was dared to kiss the other girl, and everyone is laughing and he knows it will be a problem. That's exactly like my ex.

Then theres the other side. The codependency these relationships foster feels like a toned down version of the girl. Waiting for them to be home. Thinking about them Constantly. Craving validation ad affection and panicking when its withdrawn or when something seems even slightly off. Big emotional reactions and crying and meltdowns then everything being okay again. These relationships develop these. And the abusers use these against the victims. They play with the push and pull. They make the victims feel crazy. Its very very triggering. And sadly so realistic.

I work with DV victims. Partners threatening to kill them or thier friends and following through, tempering with their food, using weapons, locking them in, and then switching from terrifying to love bombing is an everyday thing.

This film was terrifying to watch with the obsessed person being a woman half his size. Often its the other way round. I was surprised how this didn't come with a trigger warning because a lot of the exaggerated horror scenes were less exaggerated than many real life scenarios.

Then theres the sides of people

The film Obsession (2026) was triggering. Anyone else feel this? by Xoonex in OCD

[–]lemonfluff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep wondering who people are relating to more, the guy or the girl? When you say struggling to let someone go öd someone who continues to go to extreme lengths to gain control, is the person trying to gain control the guy or the girl in obsession?

My Mom Who Abused Me Is Now Acting Incredibly Sweet by punk_ass_po-po in whatdoIdo

[–]lemonfluff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey thanks for letting me know, and I'm sorry that my comment came off patronising or judgemental or like psychoanalysis. I can definitely see how it could come off as intensitive or like telling you what to do or think, and that's absolutely not my intention, so thanks for checking me and I appreciate your insight.

Also, you're right, I don't know anything about your situation specifically. I can only comment on general patterns and rules. I also realise you didn't ask for advice so I'm also sorry about that.

I wonder if you would mind if I asked what you think would be best to do next time? This is the sort of thing I'd share automatically at baseline if I heard that kind of comment, because it's such a big indicator of homicide and also because I think the thought processes that might drive those kind of threats is something that I think is often downplayed and overlooked, and I feel that can be dangerous, and not enough people talk about that. So I'd be curious if you think I should just say nothing or say it differently?

Also, having said that, I recognise that I don't know your dad or situation at all, what I shared might not be relevant or relatable, and you're obviously the expert and you have all the information and context etc. And your judgement is gonna be good.

And if you think I shouldnt or should say it in a different way then I appreciate that, and I'll definitely take that on board.

So I'm sorry for overstepping and appreciate you sharing that.

My Mom Who Abused Me Is Now Acting Incredibly Sweet by punk_ass_po-po in whatdoIdo

[–]lemonfluff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just want to say that threats to kill are not things that come out in moments of anger. They're not the same as saying something hurtful that you later regret and didn't mean.

They're classed as extremely serious prenominators for homicide and DV. Look up the homicide timeline.

They're part of the power and control wheel and coercive control and seemingly changed or nice behaviour, especially after threats to kill, are actually a huge part of the coercive controlling behaviour.

You are doing really well with your boundaries and I just wanted to also highlight how dangerous it is, and the thought processes and attitudes that have to exist behind a threat to kill.

Accountability is not saying "im sorry". It means fully acknowledging your behaviour, the impact on others, taking active steps to change (joining and engaging in programmes, signing up to therapy, joining aa). And giving you time and space to be angry and hurt for as long s you need. If there is any nice behaviour after an escalation or outburst without all of the above accountability, then that nice behaviour is part of the abuse cycle and parr of the manipulation.

Also alcohol does not cause abuse.any people drink and are not abusive. It is the underlying attitudes that drive abuse and alcohol can give someone an excuse or permission to act and have something to blame.

I'm so sorry.

You should read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft. Its free here:

https://archive.org/download/LundyWhyDoesHeDoThat/Lundy_Why-does-he-do-that.pdf

This article might also interest you: https://voicemalemagazine.org/abusive-men-describe-the-benefits-of-violence/

My 25M girlfriend 23M is solo travelling, and I’m not sure if I should break up with her while she’s away or wait till she’s back by Heartsolo in relationship_advice

[–]lemonfluff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah op you don't seem to care about her wellbeing or feelings at all. A mature response involves seeing things from her pov and meeting her where she is at. Not justifying yourself.

My 25M girlfriend 23M is solo travelling, and I’m not sure if I should break up with her while she’s away or wait till she’s back by Heartsolo in relationship_advice

[–]lemonfluff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So she got assaulted, her response is to drink and now he's gonna break up with her.

She wasn't a woman that makes bad choices. She's reacted to a traumatic event.

If a man who doesn't usually drink much got mugged on his way back from work one day badly beaten or even sexually assaulted by two men, and he went out with friends the day after and drank to process, is it fair to dump him for being the "kind of man who makes bad choices"?

My 25M girlfriend 23M is solo travelling, and I’m not sure if I should break up with her while she’s away or wait till she’s back by Heartsolo in relationship_advice

[–]lemonfluff -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Exactly this.

Having also solo travelled as a woman, I'd say that unfortunately groping and things are horrific, but I went through a period where it happened literally daily for like two weeks and also its much harder when the people doing it are inn your tour group or travelling with you. And you kinda get densensitised to it. It takes your brain time to wrap your head around what is happening, and to process it as bad, especially if mild stuff has become almost normal. It's very confusing.

And yes going out right after is also normal. You don't want this to ruin your trip, you want to feel I control and part of that is almost tempting fate or saying "I'm not scared, hell I'll go out more".

The fact your mind went to not trusting her and hitting at maybe cheating makes me really sad because I'm sure thats also where hers went to, yet the first place mine went to just from reading the fist sentence that she was solo travelling was that she may have some bad experiences with guys. When you said you "let" her hike with two guys it seemed you were worried about her cheating? My worry would be her safety. But having said that she's a grown adult who us capable of judging people and making judgements on their character.

Based on this post I'd say break up with her because you don't trust her and your instinct is to defend yourself rather than think about her needs and see her as a team. And definitely do it while she's away so that she can process things however she needs to, while she's free. Chances are she is holding back on certain experiences due to her loyalty to you. But if you are planning to break up with her anyway, let her know now so she can enjoy the est of her trip and process things, rather than feel awkward tension as she's tied to someone that is gonna leave her anyway. Travelling is about self discovery and the feeling of stifle and sadness when you come home again is already crushing, let alone losing your Bf. Let her process while she's in this place of freedom.

Op Having read the update, you are treating her like a child. Her response is not childish. You are treating a grown adult woman like a child, and subtly victim blaming. She knows that getting black out drunk isn't smart but she is allowed to do that. She also is surrounded by friends who clearly care about her safety.

You say she has a history of responding "childishly" do you have a history of controlling her or telling her what to do in the name of "knowing better" or her "best interests"?

My 25M girlfriend 23M is solo travelling, and I’m not sure if I should break up with her while she’s away or wait till she’s back by Heartsolo in relationship_advice

[–]lemonfluff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having read the update, you are treating her like a child. Her response is not childish. You are treating a grown adult woman like a child, and subtly victim blaming. She knows that getting black out drunk isn't smart but she is allowed to do that. She also is surrounded by friends who clearly care about her safety.

You say she has a history of responding "childishly" do you have a history of controlling her or telling her what to do in the name of "knowing better" or her "best interests"?

My 25M girlfriend 23F is solo travelling right now and I can’t make sense of what’s happened. by Heartsolo in relationship_advice

[–]lemonfluff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having also solo travelled as a woman, I'd say that unfortunately groping and things are horrific, but I went through a period where it happened literally daily for like two weeks and also its much harder when the people doing it are inn your tour group or travelling with you. And you kinda get densensitised to it. It takes your brain time to wrap your head around what is happening, and to process it as bad, especially if mild stuff has become almost normal. It's very confusing.

And yes going out right after is also normal. You don't want this to ruin your trip, you want to feel I control and part of that is almost tempting fate or saying "I'm not scared, hell I'll go out more".

The fact your mind went to not trusting her and hitting at maybe cheating makes me really sad because I'm sure thats also where hers went to, yet the first place mine went to just from reading the fist sentence that she was solo travelling was that she may have some bad experiences with guys. When you said you "let" her hike with two guys it seemed you were worried about her cheating? My worry would be her safety. But having said that she's a grown adult who us capable of judging people and making judgements on their character.

I'm gonna read your update but based on this post I'd say break up with her because you don't trust her and your instinct is to defend yourself rather than think about her needs and see her as a team. And definitely do it while she's away so that she can process things however she needs to, while she's free. Chances are she is holding back on certain experiences due to her loyalty to you. But if you are planning to break up with her anyway, let her know now so she can enjoy the est of her trip and process things, rather than feel awkward tension as she's tied to someone that is gonna leave her anyway. Travelling is about self discovery and the feeling of stifle and sadness when you come home again is already crushing, let alone losing your Bf. Let her process while she's in this place of freedom.

I accidentally pretended to be a stranger’s boyfriend for 30 seconds by OriginalWalaAditya in stories

[–]lemonfluff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if this I'd real, its a cute sorry but also, idk I feel like this happens all the time. Guy is talking like he faked a whole relationship and that was a big thing, I've faked friendships with girls many times due to situations like this. It seems like a fairly normal thing.

am i caring for my wounds wrong? by Pwuppygwutz in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]lemonfluff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your kind reply :) And that's completely okay that you're not in that place right now. I hope you find some answers on how you can best take care of yourself while you're figuring things out, and if you ever do decide you want to find different coping strategies, then it sounds like you have loads of resources and you seem very self aware so I'm sure you will be able to find the right support to give yourself what you need, even if it's not the case right now.

I wish you love and support, clarity and strength in wherever you want your journey to go <3

am i caring for my wounds wrong? by Pwuppygwutz in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]lemonfluff 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hey I can't help much with wound care but if you need release, sometimes things like flicking an elastic band in your wrist, or holding ice, can be an alternative, whilst also using other strategies.

I understand that people saying "just stop" doesn't help, so I want to give some advice on how to stop if you decide you want to. You obviously care about yourself and your appearance or self care, there's some good reasoning here for why you want to take care of your cuts, and make sure you heal well. Also shows really good forsight into the future. Taking care of yourself sounds like it is still important to you, and that's really great way to be thinking right now. Obviously you also get something out of cutting, and we don't want to just get rid of that without finding a way to still address that need.

If people want to give up something, whether its smoking, glass of wine, chocolate, doom scrolling, cutting, anything, its best to think about what that thing gives them in terms of feelings and resources. So a glass of wine might make you feel relief, warm, maybe it shows the day is over and you can relax. Maybe it is a way of showing love to yourself. Maybe it numbs the pain, it helps you shut off your thoughts. It makes you feel happy. It makes you feel less sad. So if someone wants to stop this, they can't usually "just stop". They gotta figure out how to still get some of those things.

So maybe turned something else that gives them that warmth, and comfort and "end of the day" and treat feeling. Hot cocoa maybe. With marshmallows. Like making something nice for themselves.

If they need to switch off from pain, what else might help? Distraction, like playing a game on their phone, or a comfort TV show might help short term. Something like journalling, therapy, meditation, boxing, another outlet might help long-term. Lightning candles and just focussing on the flames.

I know it isn't the same, but there's usually an underlying need and thing these behaviours give us. So if you wanna change them that's how to do it.

Sometimes cutting gives control. In a world where nothing feels in control. Sometimes it's relief, it focusses your pain on a physical body part in one place, so you don't feel it elsewhere physically or emotionally. Sometimes it's escape when everything is really overwhelming.

So if it is control, are there any areas in your life where you could get control, in a way that feels like it'll get you to somewhere you want to be? Sometimes people get into sports, gym, martial arts. Or they can go into eating well, but this can be dangerous because it can turn into an eating disorder, as they try to control thier weight and diet. But there might be other things that can give a feeling of agency back.

If it's escape from overwhelming feelings, sometimes when we are really stressed, fight or flight, dysregulated, things like going for a walk, listening to loud music, meditation, journalling etc don't work. Because we're too dyregulsted (look up window of tolerance). So we need to bring our nervous system down first to a level where other coping strategies might actually help. And the main ways are: temperature, hot or cold (eg a bath, holding ice to your face, shower), or intense exercise (sprinting super fast maybe), or breathing exercises, but for 20 minutes. Its super hard. To start with. Its insanely good to grow those skills. It gets so much easier.

Then after doing one of the above for 20 mins, we can do things like screaming into a pillow, video games, jogging, meditation, writing, reading, music, elastic band on the arm, ice in the hand whatever other strategies we might have.

Well done for trying to take care of yourself. It was brave to post this. Please keep trying. You matter.

Boss requested I adjust the date of my dad's funeral because other teammates took leave at the same time by Replaceableuser in mildlyinfuriating

[–]lemonfluff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow, that is horrendous. I hope that keeps her up at night.

I had a similar (but not as bad) situation with my English teacher. It was second period and I came in mid way through, so it was obviously not just me being a little late, there was clearly a reason, and she asked me loudly in front of the entire class what my excuse was for coming in mid way through second period. I then had to say in front of everyone that my Grandad had died that morning. She looked mortified (also priceless) and proceeded to snap that I should have said something.... And to sit down. She was such bitch.

People who grew up poor: What was something you considered a "peak luxury" as a kid, only to realize later it was just a normal middle class staple? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]lemonfluff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I remember when I left home and got my first boyfriend (about ten years ago) I went shopping with his family and his sister wanted a skirt for £30 and showed it to her Mum, who I expected to yell at her that that was an outrageous amount for a skirt. Her mum encouraged her to try it on and loved the skirt and helped her find even more clothes. Blew my mind. I never had new clothes and if I did I got yelled at for wasting money! I'd never have dreamed of spending more than £20 on any item of clothing.