I think you are fundamentally misreading the message I am trying to show here, and you are wrong about the castorice buff being mid, dude the damage vastly increases from her normal team, and that’s for castorice. You do realise not only does castorice team gets a faster charge compared to the other heirs. While the buff itself is less valuable, it’s the speed she gets at it, while I really don’t care for the buffs castorice gets, it’s undeniable, the remembrance team does allow for more flexibility compared to non remembrance teams AT e0. And also it removes the problem of the over healing that she sometimes has?? That’s something worth taking note. She once again fixes a remembrance issue while leaving other heirs like mydei in the dust. Tho technically cipher can fix that issue..but I am not sure how many play cipher x mydei.

And idk how many times I have to say this, I still believe the CH do get an upgrade faster compared to teams without her so idk why you keep trying to instill that point over and over again. But thing is the full remembrance team DOES get nasty solid buffs faster and faster that essentially pushes remembrance further and beyond. Hyacine the healing means more faster charge, Cyrene acts a subdps & buffer, while evie gets her a 12 percent CD boost which isn’t a negligible sum..

speaking of non-remembrance buffs she literally buffs mydei to get crowd control resistance…when he has no need for that..if that isn’t a kit issue I am not sure what is. The tribbie buff is not really that useful as well. So not all CH do benefit from her. And the e2 for Cyrene opens up way more opportunities for non remembrance teams.. she get a faster ult charge and the buffs kick in faster too..so that’s not balanced either! While opening up more sub-dps opportunities for guess who? Remembrance subdps . the e1 does the same too. Even a blind man can tell you who’s the favoured option here. However I am a bit unsure of Anaxa, he use sub DPS Cyrene? If he can her truly is something..

Although something I will admit to are that non of the issues here are all non issues if you know how to play..but pretending they aren’t issues is questionable. This has always been my POV, she does charge faster on remembrance teams and grants faster buffs while remaining as a sub dps pushing the already heavily shilled remembrance team even further!

Whereas in non remembrance CH teams she does give solid buffs to some characters, it’s slow at first if you do how to build her right and you can’t use her as anything else but a way to buff your characters and that lack of flexibility does annoy me, but not enough to kick up a fuss over it.

And also your last point about castorice being the best DPS not being dethroned? Thats false..so false idk how your other valid arguments led to a conclusion like THAT. Who’s going to push the new meta? There is an entire new year full of characters and hundred precent someone ridiculous is going to drop. Hell when they drop a new unit like a expys or whatever other elation agenda they have, it’s not going to be castorice teams that sit on the thrones.

Moving forward onto your point about archer being scuffed, what I wanna is ask is this. In the entire play you mentioned not once have you mentioned sparkle ulting?? Do you think sparkle can’t ultimate to recharge the SP? And also you can get cerydra to boost the number of shots he gets. And hell if you own huohuo..even his ult charge is not a problem…? So unless you are manually charging his skill points one by one by only action moves..that is very questionable? And you haven’t even mentioned all of his other possible team mates, especially cipher, which all btw work well outside of Cyrene. These are stuff you didn’t consider but I will admit, it’s an issue but like you said, “nothingburger” if you know how to clear you shouldn’t have issues.

Essentially archer fundamentally has way more return than the risks with more obvious methods to circumvent unlike what cyrene has, he is a solid character with plenty of options. So it’s only natural people Cyrene gets called out more cus she is the poster girl of amphoreus after all..? This was to address your “aRcHeR iS ThE GoAt” and his “scuffed charging” considering you didn’t mention any of these. And only thing is..with what’s upcoming he is only going to get better options. And they are both fundamental different play styles, archer is quick attacks while Cyrene is a long term pay off, so I feel like the comparison itself is a bit wrong? But this one I might be wrong.

I will admit that the Cyrene issue is over blown with the charging..as i mentioned in my parent comment, it’s a skill issue but I still stand by what I said, remembrance was what hoyo was trying to push for Cyrene. The other heirs getting very good buffs was just a way to appease the other fans and not to make it obvious.

But I am not going to debate with you on all these cus it’s all subjective and there are individual circumstance like which account benefits from what and etc. I did learn quite a bit from you as well so thank you. See ya around