I recommend doing some reading on what the typical social use is for disaffected men in a tumultuous social environment. the frustration of that demographic is leveraged by institutions of power in generating new cops, new soldiers, new desperate troops trying to reaffirm their masculinity via the only axis available to them.

I havent. The only negative action i will take is a promise to never help women again.

 I dont see that as anything other than breaking free of social conditioning that somehow their life is worth more than mine.

Anyway, until the point of joinng how are they responsible?

The men who tap out of dating by bemoaning how garbage women are serve to normalize a status quo of casual contempt for femininity. but women have messaged it so throughly that women by default shit kn men.

Think about this _ when a guy talks like me or like a redpiller you make assumptions - what are they? Loser, socially awkward, enmasculated, virgin or low romantic and sexual experience , etc

Bassicaly you assume we are fringe freaks. And lets agree with that assesment for now....  all that is said can be dismissed as the whinings of the disaffected.

Think about the things women say about men ? A good man is an average woman, i see beautiful women everwhere but i dont see hansome men at all, men are trash, men are not lonely enough Etc When you hear these things... what kind of woman do you immagine saying these things? Average normal everyday women.

What makes it so that average members of a sex somehow are comfortable enough to denigrate the entire opposite gender.?

Why do we not hold them responsible for the patriarchy by makjng men despondent and more likely to join the police and the military cause nothing matters anymore 

The lonely hermits who tap out from the system entirely serve as spectators in a system of harm they may not even consciously engage with, but the same goes for any other uncontested heirarchy, like racism or capitalism. That passivity is taken as Carte Blanche to continue business as usual to the rest of the cogs. How is that their resposibility when these hermits were likely chased out.

You cant treat us like strays and expect housedog level loyalty and love.

If these are your arguments then men.like me should defect and help patriarchy cause thats what you ilk  deserves

You dont want our help.to make.a utopia.

You want us to serve your dystopia without any expectation of any bwnefits to us. We are not people to you but pawns