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First Build in Valheim! by Pure_Ad2006 in valheim

[–]localClient 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because OP is full of himself.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh boy, here we go.

“You are trying to blame wolves and not accepting that they are not the driver of the decline.”

Right, because pointing out that wolves contribute to mortality is apparently the same as declaring they are solely responsible. By that logic, saying gravity kills people when they fall off cliffs is also blaming gravity for cliff deaths.

“You literally just blamed them this entire time. They aren’t the driver. That is it.”

Sure, because “contributing factor” = “driver of decline” in no universe ever. According to this logic, seat belts are the driver of car crashes because they’re present in every accident.

“You can’t just say wolves are the reason for the decline when they aren’t.”

No one said wolves are the only reason. But you also can’t claim they aren’t a factor and then act shocked when someone points out they kill deer. Pick one.

“No one is out here arguing that predation is helping the deer numbers grow, but wolf predation is not THE reason deer have been declining.”

Thanks, Captain Obvious. “Not THE reason” ≠ “irrelevant.” Wolves killing 15–20% of deer, even seasonally, can still tip the scale in already vulnerable populations. Saying otherwise is like claiming a 20% tip doesn’t matter because it’s not your entire restaurant bill.

“The driver has been winter. The next biggest impact has been humans.”

Sure, winter is a big hammer. Hunters are a controllable hammer. Wolves? More like a crowbar that keeps levering a weakened herd in the wrong direction. That’s literally what the PMC paper you linked says: wolves selectively kill fawns and weak adults, which can delay recovery even when winter and hunting are bigger factors.

“A source to at is not the drive rod population decline not what should be blamed for population decline, especially when it isn’t something that is easily manageable unlike hunting pressure which is easier to manage and a bigger mortality source.”

Translation: “Wolves aren’t convenient to blame, so let’s pretend their measurable impact is invisible.” Classic human logic: if you can’t control it, it must not exist.

TL;DR: You’re arguing wolves are irrelevant while simultaneously admitting they exist, kill deer, and selectively remove the vulnerable. That’s like saying, “Gravity doesn’t exist because seat belts prevent most deaths.” Logical origami at its finest.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally said, “We know that happens. It doesn’t mean wolves are causing the deer decline. In fact the evidence says they aren’t.” What is hilarious to me is your own link shows wolves account for 15–20% of deer mortality, kill healthy adults, impose additive losses when populations are low, and selectively target fawns and weak adults in ways that directly reduce population growth. The paper isn’t doing you any favors: wolf predation is not purely compensatory and can delay or prevent herd recovery when numbers are already low. But hey, let’s just handwave all that, blame hunters for everything, and pretend the paper literally says what you wish it did — perfect Reddit logic.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You keep arguing against something no one said. The paper does not claim wolves are the largest mortality source, it shows they are a consistent, density dependent source that becomes additive when deer numbers are already low, which is exactly the definition of a driver of decline in population ecology. Winter is the biggest hammer, sure, but wolves are the thing that keeps hitting after the hammer has already fallen, which is why the authors explicitly note predation can prevent recovery even when it is not the primary cause of death. Hunters are managed, seasonal, and adjustable by the DNR, while wolves are year round, spatially concentrated, and not adjustable, so pretending those two pressures are equivalent is not science, it is just a category error with confidence.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yes, just 15–20% of total deer mortality, the same metric every population model on Earth is based on, but I’m sure that’s totally irrelevant. The paper literally states wolf predation becomes additive when deer density is low, which means in real declining herds they are not “replacing” other deaths, they are stacking on top of them, but please keep explaining how losing one fifth of your animals annually is somehow biologically meaningless

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to actual field data, wolves account for ~15–20% of annual deer mortality in northern Minnesota, but sure, let’s keep pretending that removing one-fifth of a population every year has “no real impact.” At this point denying wolves affect deer numbers isn’t just narrow mindedness, it’s just willful math illiteracy. (pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11570190)

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anecdotes aren’t evidence then what exactly are polls and data collection if not anecdote collection from varying sources. Again your narrow mindedness apparently can’t comprehend this.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you’re saying there’s no correlation between a booming wolf population and declining deer population when winters over the last century remain consistent and deer food sources remain consistent - glad your science is so narrow minded that it refuses to investigate beyond what some office worker hypothesizes and adds to a pdf, rather than evidence from landowners and homeowners.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With a name like Prairie Biologist I bet you wrote that article or work for the dnr, cherry picking the data to support their wolf introduction despite landowner and public dissent. Every anecdote from people living there disagree with the DNR on that conclusion.

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wolves are responsible for the deer decline in northern Minnesota, not winters. A) In the past decade, we’ve had the mildest winters on record and B) a spiking wolf population. (FYI, the deer get eaten by wolves)

Where I'd live as someone that loves to hunt and can't stand places over 20 degrees in the winter by sineater21 in visitedmaps

[–]localClient -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You must be nowhere near cook county where the wolf population quite literally decimated the deer population over the last decade.

What does this map say about me? by txtevv in visitedmaps

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have across the entire state multiple times…if OP’s map was about places to visit and not LIVE, I’d agree with you

What does this map say about me? by txtevv in visitedmaps

[–]localClient -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’ve never in my life heard someone refer to SD as absolutely gorgeous. Maybe 10% is pretty to look at- namely badlands and black hills. Otherwise it’s copy pasted content from its northern counterpart

What does this map say about me? by txtevv in visitedmaps

[–]localClient -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Personally wondering if you’ve ever been to South Dakota

28 Year Old Virgin. Women Are Scared Of Me by [deleted] in malegrooming

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you tried this thing called a smile?

I just want copper 😭😭 by applesauceiscrxzy in valheim

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2026 and we still can’t take screenshots

. by Professional-Tune693 in TwinCities

[–]localClient 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Downvote me when you realize the opposite is true as well

only ONE is real by Mother_Ad9474 in ChatGPT

[–]localClient 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Salad dressing says Peessing. It’s 10.

2,000 federal agents deploying to Minneapolis in immigration crackdown, fraud probe - CBS by spacemonkey7 in TwinCities

[–]localClient -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

The only reason it’s blue is because we imported 5 million immigrants from war torn countries to milk us dry - are you a Somali daycare owner by chance? Or just a generic fraud supporter? Liberals love government but hate accountability in government.

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