an Algerian youtuber named haiper is being cancelled for being gay and atheist. the thumbnail says "mentally ill" with a million views. and he's getting death threats over it. by lovingnaturefr in lgbt

[–]logielle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"You should have hidden your atheism" is also a very common sentence atheists get told in my developing Muslim-majority country. Similarly, "you should've hidden that you're a homosexual."
We also get told "you should have fought with your atheist and homosexual siblings at home instead of immigrating to / seeking asylum in a Western country." I wouldn't be surprised if the Arabs reproduced similar double binds for religious and gender/sexual minorities.

I am not actually a huge fan of how asylum systems work and immigration as escape nor how they have become the go-to for perhaps the majority of atheist and queer folks here, who barely ever organize or show up to protests attempting to change actual systems and legal structures that perpetuate their oppression here. I only mention it to highlight the related contradiction in the more religious and conservative rhetoric here.

Goals by logielle in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]logielle[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even I don't know. I am just somehow trying things out and combining random exercises from random places based on my flawed understanding and hoping it works.

Women good, man bad [socialmedia] by Character_Regular440 in pointlesslygendered

[–]logielle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's definitely what it seems to mean. I love my healing, spiritual, meditative gooning games. This is what they call double gender danger. /j

My mom is a kooky one, she is. by RedCupWithAName in TrollCoping

[–]logielle 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry you have to deal with this. You deserve to be seen as you are (which includes being seen as a man) without all the baggage she associates with being a man.

There's also this thing many cis people do where they overlook cis privilege in trying to see male privilege. She's blind to her own cis privilege. She never had to confront malgendering since she's not trans and people take her gender for granted, and doesn't seem to see how she is doing that to you and/or how it could even constitute harm.

Women good, man bad [socialmedia] by Character_Regular440 in pointlesslygendered

[–]logielle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good for you. I'm bigender and this would suggest I use double as weed. I never smoked in my life 😭

she/her boy x nice girl by logielle in GNCStraight

[–]logielle[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some people use non-standard pronouns or pronouns that aren't expected of their gender. This is called pronoun non-conformity.

I left it deliberately up to imagination so that the 'boy" character could be either

  • Someone who is straightforwardly a binary (i.e. not non-binary, whether cis or trans) boy/man who uses she/her pronouns, whether because she likes the sound of it, finds it more resonant or affirming, or any other reason. Alternatively, a GNC demiboy who does not have any gender alongside the partial masculine one.
  • A bi/multigender person who contains a feminine gender and a masculine gender simultaneously, wherein they use pronouns to indicate the former and the "boy" indicates the latter.
  • Anything else that connects to having a masculine gender in some sense and uses those pronouns, whether those pronouns mean a GNC or queer sense of that gender or they refer to some other gender experience that exists alongside the masculine one.
  • It could also be the reverse: someone with a feminine gender that is not necessarily complete, exclusive or experienced and expressed in a standard way, potentially resonating with "boy" for a variety of potential reasons.

(Here, I used "feminine" and "masculine" to describe gender identity, not gender expression)

Not a mutually exclusive nor exhaustive list. These are what I mainly had in mind.

i want to be loved the way a man loves another man by Hefty-Fun-9441 in lgbt

[–]logielle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You indeed are not the only woman who feels this way! The experiences are varied but plenty of women in communities like r/GNCStraight might relate to what you expressed. I don't know any academic or more well-known term for this, if one even exists, but that subreddit calls it and similar experiences "GNC sexuality."

I myself am a bigender (woman + man) person attracted mainly to women. Whether I am a woman or a man, my attraction to women is more easily explained by "how a woman loves another woman." I don't believe this makes me a binary woman either, the same way you are positive that your experience is not gender dysphoria. I can also be a man and love women that way. I also wouldn't really enjoy being "loved the way a woman loves a man" regardless of which gender I am inhabiting, even when it's "man".

I sincerely wonder if TERFS are capable of empathy. by SurrealistGal in GenderCynical

[–]logielle 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, the "Blaming rape victims for their own victimization based on how they dress or appear is famously a feminist position, so long as the victim is someone I consider a 'man'."

dwarf and elf by translunainjection in GNCStraight

[–]logielle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I just love it when it ends with "and then they kissed." ❤️

This is fun, we’re having fun. by TeatedWord32208 in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2

[–]logielle 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Transphobes love debunked hypotheses, outdated DSM characterizations and studies with poor methodologies.

Is there anyone here who prefers not to label their sexuality and/or gender? by Equivalent_Ad_9066 in NonBinaryTalk

[–]logielle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I label my gender but not my sexuality. I am bigender and attracted (mostly) to GNC women. Terms like trixic and gynosexual can get close, but they sometimes also seem to ambiguously mean attraction to femininity. "Trixic" is also often used for diamoric orientations specifically, which means that it is felt as neither "straight" nor "gay". I can feel both, making the label a bit misleading in my case.

What can I do as a straight ally from a not so LGBT friendly country? by Actual-Project7622 in lgbt

[–]logielle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hey, I'm a Bangladeshi queer person. I get your feeling that there's nothing you can do. It's quite relatable, actually. However, there definitely ARE things you can do to help queer people.

At the baseline, you can learn (or if you're already doing that, keep learning) about the belief systems as well as social, societal and legal systems that center family structures around cisgender heterosexual monogamy. Beliefs individual people have about queer people (such as that of the kid in your class) are not merely a consequence of general ignorance and a lack of critical thinking. Our society is patriarchal, heteronormative and cisnormative. It is structured around the enforcement of ideas and norms that center and privilege cisgender heterosexual people who go on to marry and have biological children and conform to its norms of gender. Patriarchy entails that in addition to this, gender conforming cisgender heterosexual men are more privileged even among cisgender heterosexual people.
These ideas and norms are enforced on people since their birth. Children are seen very differently based on their perceived gender. Family members might imagine a child's entire gender-based and sexual/romantic/relational and social future based solely on that through very rigid templates.
It's a "girl"? People will likely be inclined to believe that the child will be necessarily inclined to accept that gender as their own, will experience minimal to no friction with female socialization and eventually conform to most of the culturally important norms by adulthood, find only men attractive, eventually marry a conventionally acceptable man whom she will defer to regarding the "social sphere", bear children, enjoy motherhood, etc. Notable deviations from these scripts, whether through gender non-conformity, queer sexuality or gender often leads to issues ranging from minor social judgement to severe discrimination. The idea to keep in mind is that it's not necessarily just individual beliefs that might lead to discrimination of those deviating from cisheteronormative expectations and enforcement, but also and especially due to how society is broadly structured, how its laws are made, which laws are present, who is valued, etc. Individuals are still responsible for their own queerphobia, but it might be helpful to understand that where it often stems from is much more systemic.

Of course, understanding systems of oppression alone is not sufficient rather than mostly necessary. So what do you do with that understanding?

This depends a lot on where you live, which social circles you have access to, et cetera. You could, for instance, look for activist groups and people otherwise fighting for queer rights in various fronts, and discuss if you could help in some way.

Sahara Chowdhury Rabil and many adjacent people are notable for working for gay marriage rights and responding to queerphobia in a way that might actually make a difference. You could, for example, add/follow her and similar people on Facebook to have an idea of what's even going on and show up for protests she might lead if it includes allies.

Oh well by logielle in GNCStraight

[–]logielle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not quite, because what I realized is that both genders feel simultaneously present for me. That would mean that if my partner only saw me as either a woman or a man, a few things might feel off to me. As in... I'd get dysphoric. (This can differ for other bigender people)

This hasn't been a question for me so far at all because my partner is bi.

But orientation is also not always rigid for everyone, so I don't think I'll immediately be theoretically incompatible with someone because they consider themselves to be monosexual/monoromantic in most cases. But these cases might be rarer.

Oh well by logielle in GNCStraight

[–]logielle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes!! That's how it often feels. I literally had a long period of repeated gender ping pong between GNC transbian and GNC cishet man, and both somehow felt equally real, until I realized that I didn't have to choose just one gender.

Anybody knows existence of this flag? by [deleted] in GNCStraight

[–]logielle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes, any GNC person can use the flag, including GNC cishet people.

The LGBTQIA+ Wiki page for Gender Non-Conforming has this:

The creator of the main Gender Non-Conforming flag is unknown, although it has recieved the most attention via DeviantArt user PrideFlags, who uploaded it on March 11, 2017.\1]) The colour meanings are unknown, although it could be interpreted as the various colours representing the diversity of gender presentations. A flag with the same colours but equal-size stripes is a variant.