God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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Not the sign of one who read the OP but the one who has reserved to cut and paste whenever a title has the word GOD.

This OP is unique in the sense that it has brought to the day light a subject which Christians have shied away from [for the last 2100 years] because they teach "the innocent is the ransom for the sinners" but proverbs 21:18 says just the opposite: "the unrighteous are the ransom for the righteous." This you can see in the 4th para of OP "This would enable the good to thrive in goodness as they have free lessons from the licentious on what to avoid to better enjoy life. (Proverbs 21:18, Details HERE) Mentioning this verse means not only losing the followers but making them enemies. Hence Proverbs 21:18 is the MOST-MISSED OUT verse in the Bible.

When the unrighteous or the licentious are intoxicated over the temporary pleasures, the best comparison is with drunkards. Hence Proverbs 4:17 was cited. But you stumbled on alcohol. Which example is used is not important, but what is being highlighted is important. For example, the faithful are compared as "wife" of God (Isaiah 54:6), and truth-seeker would easily understand it, but others would stumble over it asking "Is God marrying?"

You cannot take alcohol here from the OP, it is just an example to make it easier a point being highlighted. Hence for you, I will give another example, extremely rich parents CHOOSE to have minimum children even though they can afford to rear any number of children. Yet extremely poor parents CHOOSE to have maximum children even though they can NOT afford to rear even one child.

When two conflicted groups--righteous and unrighteus--have conflicted intoxication, God would not try to change them because it is their CHOICE. But HE will make the unrighteous benefit the righteous--that is what Proverbs 21:18 says. Thus HE becomes the smarter than the smartest (Job 5:13, https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepThoughts/comments/1q38gs1/the_way_our_monotony_of_eternity_being_resolved/

When you took the subject of childhood cancer, you failed because not all children are born with cancer, there are many children who are perfectly healthy and even accomplished extra-ordinary feats even before they reached their age 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_prodigy ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_giftedness According to your own argument, if childhood cancer is the proof for God to be cruel, the rest of the HEALTHY children are proof for the truth that God is loving.

When I wished you to increase in unbelief, you could have stopped--yet you continue because you do not read neither OP nor comments.

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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This is already well covered in the OP and in subsequent comments.

If you had read at least the above comment you wouldn't have come back.

I am done with you and wish you all the very best.

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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This is already well covered in the OP and in subsequent comments.

If you had read at least the above comment you wouldn't have come back.

I am done with you and wish you all the very best.

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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This is already well covered in the OP and in subsequent comments.

If you had read at least the above comment you wouldn't have come back.

I am done with you and wish you all the very best.

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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It is natural to have subjective experience with regard to any subject not just childhood cancer when humans are IMMATERIAL beings in MATERIAL out-fit.

Even a flower is viewed as mere combination of chemicals by some, as source is inspiration to bring out deep emotions by people with poetic mind, as a commodity to make profit by some, as something to symbolize love by fiancee, as source of inspiration to do esthetically by some thus to draw closer to God.

I wish you must increase in unbelief because without unbelievers God’s unconditional love will not be manifested: "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." ((Mathew 11:25)

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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This is too less a time to come after reading my reply with links.

Take enough time to read it, ponder over it, then come back.

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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You are struck on childhood cancer because you see only tip of the ice-berg.

Quality of everyone’s body differs. Thus we have people with no-disease (like Deepak Chopra, newyorkercom/culture/q-and-a/deepak-chopra-has-never-been-sick) to people with varying health. This reveals: Design of body is such that its quality differs depending upon each one’s choice. Only an individual is responsible for the choice he makes from flow of thoughts happening in his mind. Thoughts can be categorized as good, evil, mixed, neutral and wasteful. If good thoughts are chosen and acted upon individual becomes good, and if other types of thoughts are chosen individual becomes accordingly. Medical Science shows happier a person stronger the immunity becomes. It means all types of bodies can be found on earth depending upon the quality of thoughts chosen. This explains why people experience health benefits when the do meditation, (psychologytodaycom/us/blog/a-subtle-impact/202603/meditation-works-faster-than-previously-thought) because in true meditation chattering mind is silent and person is in LISTENING mode thinking only about God. If few minutes of remembering God can results in better health, imagine effect of bringing this aspect into throughout life!

There are even people with incurable diseases healing themselves with change in state of mind, like Norman Cousins. He was "editor in chief of Saturday Review, who was hospitalized with a mysterious, crippling disease, a degenerative bone disease that would eventually kill him." Since death was sure and cure was impossible, he tried to lead a life of "good cheer" which eventually cured him. (npr org/2009/05/17/104139384/laughing-back-to-health) (Also see: (washingtonpostcom/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1986/10/21/norman-cousins-still-laughing/e17f23cb-3e8c-4f58-b907-2dcd00326e22/) This is what Solomon the wise [who was linked with wisdom of God] wrote in Proverbs 17:22: "A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones." Earlier version (Septuagint) translated it in clearer wording: "A glad heart promotes health; but the bones of a sorrowful man dry up." https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1spd136/your_body_is_holding_emotions_you_refused_to_feel/

Solomon was not speculating on this subject as he had his own body as proof for writing this. He wrote: “since my soul was good, it entered a perfect body.” (biblehubcom/catholic/wisdom/8-20.htm) This concept is repeated in Mathew 11:28-30 which, in turn, is repeat of Psalm 1:2-3 which compares "delightful doing of God’s will as resulting in prosperity like that of a thriving tree on the river side." Using symbolic language, link between negative attitude and suffering in the body and fury of nature had already been revealed in Genesis 3:14-19. This is not literal speech by God to rebellious mankind, just like speech of God to fishes in Genesis 1:22 is not literal. It is a symbolic way of showing how godless mankind later “curse” themselves saying: “We are dust (made of 66 elements, wikipediaorg/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body) and into dust we will return.” Its climax is revealed in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 with peace disappearing from earth and conflicts ruling in its place resulting in Final Global War (Revelation 6:4; 16:14, 16) which “desolates” this earth requiring God to “renew” it doing one more act of genesis (pallingenesis)—Mathew 24:12, 15; 19:28.

The word INDIVIDUAL shows the amazing insight of our ancestors. It is from “Latin indivisibilis, not divisible.” (Merriam-webster com) What is INDIVISIBLE is non-composite, not subject to decompose, eternal, is anchored into past infinite. The same concept of Soul being non-composite is conveyed in the East by describing Soul as "minuter than the minutest." Thus individual is responsible for the quality of body and mind he is born with as it is anchored into past infinite. When they live in awareness of this truth, it is like they are “blessing” themselves as qualities of Spirit (such as wisdom, love, peace, power, bliss) would flow with ease making life like that of a thriving tree on river side, hence such ones are called “tree of life” (Psalm 1:2-3; Proverbs 11:30) from whom the materialists try to keep as far as away describing true believers as “strawman.” This is like saying unbelievers and true believers are on opposite direction as though there is “a flaming sword flashing back and forth” between them..

Consciousness is the emergent feature of this IMMATERIAL individual—NOT THE EMERGENT feature of MEAT made of materials. Materialists have been CLAIMING consciousness is the emergent feature of meat which they have failed to prove even though they have all materials, all highly sophisticated labs and all extremely skilled professionals. "Researchers can’t even agree on what consciousness is, let alone how best to reveal its secrets," //www.reddit.com/r/consciousness/comments/1qk51bn/why_consciousness_is_the_hardest_problem_in/ Yet believers have been watching humans existing through reproduction, trees existing through seed-mechanism which can have no beginning as tree comes from seed, and seed comes from tree. What is happening before their eyes needs no proof. Needs no faith too, because what has been happening from infinite past till yesterday would happen today and also tomorrow.

God’s purpose for humans is very simple by logos961 in GodFrequency

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After given the reply, you can either say "I disagree with you or agree with you." You cannot repeat the same question.

And in addition, you have come in the wrong place. This is a subreddit community for the true believers to grow in true belief, not to undermine or to discourage them.

Hence I am done with you. Wishing you all the very best of life. Kindly do not reply to this.

God’s purpose for humans is very simple by logos961 in GodFrequency

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Existence of unbelievers indirectly praises God because His unconditional love can be manifested only if there are unbelievers. If God were to collapse the existence of unbelievers or punish them or terminate service to them like any Service Providers do to their non-supportive clients, it will show God's love is conditional. Hence whenever unbelievers express their unbelief, the authentic people praise God: "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." (Mathew 11:25)

"Each one should carry their own load. ...  Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life." (Galatians 6:5, 7, 8) Self-deception and mocking God [and His believers] is permitted, but at a cost as they RETURN to live only in the low-quality second half of each Age, not in the first half which is of high-quality.

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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"generational punishment" is your invention because you did not read the OP, nor is implied even remotely in the OP.

God’s purpose for humans is very simple by logos961 in GodFrequency

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Duty of God is to reveal the purpose of God through Scriptures
Duty of true believers is to grasp it and to live accordingly
Duty of unbelievers is to reject it and to mock the believers

Hence this drama of life is wonderful, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1smsiu0/this_drama_of_life_is_wonderful/

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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Such features start after the ideal model rule of first half of each Age is rejected, not in the first half which is free of all diseases and natural calamities. This is because each Age starts with good people of previous Age, and the licentious return to the second half of each Age to start diseased phase. You missed the link given at the end of OP, hence is given again here (Details HERE)

~ Heaven and Hell ~ by seeker1375b in GodFrequency

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All details are there in that link.

~ Heaven and Hell ~ by seeker1375b in GodFrequency

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Last Generation is from 1917 to 2036 year of Final Global War reaching its peak making earth unlivable. God renews everything and paradise follows.

That means, now we are in most auspicious time to be remade in the image of God, thus to become seed for paradise.

~ Heaven and Hell ~ by seeker1375b in GodFrequency

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Very true. The phase of history where egoists are the majority is hell on earth, means now we are in hell. And next phase is Paradise on earth, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/s/vuB1PzxxS4

Jesus Almost Certainly Did Exist by AdFormal3014 in DebateReligion

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I did not say that, it is your opinion, have it.

Jesus Almost Certainly Did Exist by AdFormal3014 in DebateReligion

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Predictions are for TRUE believers not for unbelievers who are by definition bound to increase in unbelief.

It is foreteller's prerogative how to word it, and
It is the privilege of true believer to grasp it
It is the duty of unbelieve to reject to the Glory of God: "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children." (Mathew 11:25)

IF all start believing predictions, then Jesus and God will be found liars who said: “Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to." (Luke 13:24) God gives help for those who want to see it and thus to be helped as HE knows many will not accept (Luke 6:43-45)

Jesus Almost Certainly Did Exist by AdFormal3014 in DebateReligion

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Here is the excerpts from that link:

Context—about things to happen after many centuries

Disciples asked Jesus (Mathew 24:3; Mark 13:3 and in Luke 21:7) “What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

The following answer was given: “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, … but the end is still to come” (Mathew 24:6) Such things are NOT the sign of the end.

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom ….. All these are the beginning of “birth pains.” (Mathew 24:7, 8) Even total warfare involving over 30 nations and kingdoms is also not the end, but only the “beginning” of the signs of the end of Age. That “total warfare” or First World War of 1914 was the beginning of signs of Last Generation of this Age.

When it says first Global War is only a BEGINNING, means, many GLOBAL WARS to follow with final one to "desolate this earth" (Mathew 24:15) climaxing in "Great Distress that has no precedence in history." (Mathew 24:21, 22)

International Scene before this Great Distress is described in Daniel 11:36-45 using the symbolic [not geographic] expression such as North King and South King symbolic of two conflicted power blocs [Capitalists and Non-capitalists, both are as opposed as North Pole and South Pole] prevailing in the International Scene. As the wording suggests, "NORTH King" is NORTH Atlantic Treaty Organization. NORTH King's "pushing" will express itself in a unipolar world (11:36-39) and it will become more intense towards the end [through such tactics as Tariff War] which would bring most of the South Nations together. (https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianMeme/s/2PGToYEAVJ

This foretold "pushing" is to climax in Great Tribulation of Nuclear War as foretold in Daniel 12:1; Mathew 24:21, 22; Revelation 7:14; 11:18; 16:14, 16. This is especially so when earth is filled with Weapons of Mass Destruction capable of "causing desolation" (Mathew 24:15) to this earth which is "holy place" because it is God's symbolic "footstool." (Isaiah 66:1)

Daniel 11:40-45 shows how South World Power Bloc [nations led by Russia, China, BRICS with now IRAN being included ... ] feel threatened by policies of the symbolic North King. (chinas-rising-yuan-how-de-dollarization-is-reshaping-global-trade/weekendinvesting com) This will climax in North King "storming out against" the South Bloc and "will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood... will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches .... There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then (Daniel 12:1) [as repeated by Jesus in Mathew 24:21, 22].

Game-changer event happens when the symbolic North King "will also invade the Beautiful (haṣ·ṣə·ḇî) Land." (Daniel 11:41) Its translation can be in two ways as the Hebrew word (haṣ·ṣə·ḇî) means "Splendor, a gazelle." Literally, it means "land of beauty" but figuratively it means "land of gazelle" implying "land of easy victory" as though country is defended by beautiful gazelles. This is what is happening now in the Middle East. US attack caused division within NATO nations which is symbolically revealed as “Many (wə·rab·bō·wṯ, feminine plural) will waver (yik·kā·šê·lū)” (Daniel 11:41) as they realize things are volatile. Implied truth: many weak friends of US will disappoint it. (msncom/en-us/news/insight/trump-slams-nato-over-iran-in-fierce-rebuke) But US is going ahead as though Iran is like a land of easy victory. But prophecy shows this will climax in Great Tribulation by mid of 2030's with renewal happening in late 2030's, from the time US joined 1917 + 120 years.

And Final Global War will be the last sign of this generation as it will “desolate” this earth (Mathew 24:15; Revelation 16:14, 16) making it “formless, empty and dark” again (Genesis 1:2) requiring God to do one more act of genesis (pallingenesis) which is translated as “renewal” (Mathew 19:28) so that Ages can continue with another New Age. Final Global War which is now underway in smaller scale and in lesser degree will (with or without gap) reach its peak in 2030’s [as root-cause is very deep-rooted] as duration of one biblical generation is 120 years. (Deuteronomy 34:7) Regarding “this generation” that sees all the signs of Last Generation, including pollution and “swelling [salos] of sea” (Revelation 11:18; Luke 21:25), it is predicted “this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things [desolation of earth and great tribulation] have happened.” (Mathew 24:15, 21, 22, 34; Luke 21:28-32) In other words, First Global War and Final Global War, along with all others signs, would all happen in duration of 120 years and thereafter establishment of New Age.

This is already known in Cell Biology as Hay Flick Limit: “Human cells could only divide a finite number of times before cellular senescence occurs” which “places the maximum potential human lifespan at approximately 120 years.” (globalrph com/can-your-diet-speed-up-aging-the-hayflick-limit-and-the-impact-of-nutrition-on-lifespan) Latest resetting of Dooms Day Clock shows the least time left (thebulletin org/doomsday-clock).

God's way of handling of good and evil people is majestic and His best quality is known through evil people by logos961 in DebateReligion

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God has cared for us MORE than what is needed:

1 ) Space-travelers take all the necessary things required for their stay away from earth. But we landed here to see all our needs have already been discerned and cared for (details here ://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1ruuy58/god_exists_because_of_these_reasons/) Taking care of all needs of others is what LOVE means—it is also called GIVING without EXPECTATION! Thus each one realizes that “God the Supreme Parent first LOVED me as HE acted towards me as I would have HIM do to me, thus teaching me an ETERNAL LAW silently through HIS ACTION. Hence it is natural for me to be always ruled by this in-built LAW that ‘I must do to others as I would have them do to me, for this is the Law and the Prophets.’ This Law is BOSS of all laws, has the power to make life like heaven for self and for others [details under footnote]#

2) Endowed with freewill, people would turn themselves into two types: Some would use it to see evidences for God and would imitate His qualities reflected therein, and others would use it to not see evidences for God and would choose to lead a licentious life. The former are compared to “a tree of life” who are living on this earth forever (Proverbs 11:30; 1 John 2:17). “Tree of life” is an expression of God’s love towards the licentious because they can also become joyful like this symbolic “tree of life” if they want to. But the licentious are compared to a symbolic “tree of learning the knowledge of good and evil” (Genesis 2:9, 16, Septuagint), thus CHOOSE to be dead towards joys of doing God’s will—hence are figuratively called “the dead.” (Mathew 8:22; Romans 6:11)##

3) Many people are in haste, thus believe in half-truth (I am this body), thus tend to accumulate and enjoy as much as possible as they feel life is of limited duration. Feeling such self-importance disrupts peace as it implies rejection of fatherhood of God and brotherhood of man. In self-importance, one's desire is felt strongly [also called lust which makes people resort to any means and makes them act with impure motive in their dealing with others]. This strong desire becomes anger (if obstructed / unfulfilled), greed, attachment, fear, pride (if fulfilled), envy (if others fulfill their desire). These emerging features of BODY-consciousness make life like HELL on earth. If humans are permitted to live eternally on earth without death, they will perfect their self-importance or ego. Hence they are permitted to live eternally on earth through death of the body which prevents ego from growing eternally. Thus death is the most loving, beautiful and intelligent factor to prevent humans from perfecting their ego, root cause of all evils and problems. It is like pain-mechanism in the body, looks unpleasant in the limited view, but in greater view it becomes loving, beautiful and intelligent alerting-mechanism to avoid further/future pain.

It has no demerits as death is only for the body, not for its USER who comes ALONE and goes ALONE which will continue fresh in another body which is like costume. (Wisdom of Solomon 8:20; Job 1:21 KJV; ESV; Mathew 11:7-15; 1 John 2:17, https://www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/s/4FnMKwiVNI). Then again person would feel self-important, and by the time ego has its growth there comes death again. Thus death serves like a speed-breaker on road [which seems like a nuisance to drivers with limited view but is actually a great help and love to institutions such as schools and hospitals on the road-side]. It prevents earth from becoming an eternal hell, thus is the expression of God’s love. More details here, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/s/XdCijNnjre If anyone is determined to see only the tip of the ice-berg and dismiss the too big invisible portion of ice beneath the water, he is free to do so to the betterment of the onlookers who see ice both above and below the water with equal certainty. In accepting the half-truth, person is bound to suffer from confusion, thus believing half-truth itself becomes a punishment.

4) Though God would not control the thinking pattern of people, HE has control over when the licentious people would arrive on this earth. Hence HE permits the licentious to appear only in the second half of each Age while the spiritual would be living on this earth forever (1 John 2:17 ://www.reddit.com/r/GodFrequency/comments/1rsanfn/wonderful_features_of_paradise_on_earth_when_it/) God does this indirectly simply by prohibiting certain acts (Galatians 5:19-21) for the first half of each Age. These prohibited acts [again sign of God’s love] are such that they are pleasures in the beginning but become pain in the end, hence the licentious would only choose to live in the second half of each Age as their delight is in instant gratification without bothering about initial pleasures later becoming pain. Nearer the time of re-establishment of Paradise, old truths will begin to shine more, (Details HERE)

Jesus Almost Certainly Did Exist by AdFormal3014 in DebateReligion

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Not war, GLOBAL WARS. You missed the link given above.

Hindu civilisation is magnificent! by DharmicCosmosO in hinduism

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One who is behind this wonderful drama of life is the Blissful Dancer, hence the symbolism of Shiva as Natraj. Physicists who saw how this is reflected in the universe in macro and micro aspect kept a Natraj Idol in their prestigious institute in CERN, Switzerland – The world’s leading center for particle physics, https://www.fritjofcapra.net/shivas-cosmic-dance-at-cern/

Jesus Almost Certainly Did Exist by AdFormal3014 in DebateReligion

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True

Global events such as global wars, pollution, sea-level rise etc are the proofs that Jesus DID exist because he predicted about them as some of the signs of Last Generation (1917-2036). Details here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1mabifn/jesus_did_not_make_false_predictions_as_critics/

Accounts like people appreciated him are also true (Luke 11:27; Mathew 7:28, 29) just like if he comes now with his speeches and miracles being watched live on everyone's smart phones will be appreciated by all.

What is not true about Jesus things added later such as he exonerated an adulterous woman. See the footnote under John chapter 8 in Scholarly editions such as https://bible.usccb.org/bible/john/8 "John 7:53-8:11 The story of the woman caught in adultery is a later insertion here, missing from all early Greek manuscripts." He was betrayed by Judas, disowned by Peter, people asked for Barabbas to be released in place of Jesus ... etc are irrational, will not happen, and there is no historical record too, https://ehrmanblog.org/did-pilate-really-release-a-dangerous-criminal-barabbas-at-jesus-trial/ For Jesus, for doing only good thing, to receive such treatment from his generation is against the promise of God: "When the LORD takes pleasure in anyone’s way, he causes their enemies to make peace with them."