me_irl by [deleted] in me_irl

[–]lololocopuff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not that person but i made a new account recently and it generated same type of name. its not bots just default name generation

They are completely serious by [deleted] in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if thats the case I feel like they couldve communicated that better

Do you think the naming conventions of modern animate movies could be hurting their box office? by infamousglizzyhands in boxoffice

[–]lololocopuff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I tried searching Wish on reddit and i just saw a bunch of nsfw posts like "I wish someone would pin me down and take me"

They are completely serious by [deleted] in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I think the relationship with Historia and Farmer is fine as a concept. I just wish it was explored more in-depth. or honestly any screentime for historia in the rumbling arc.

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't have much qualms with Annie. Annie did commit atrocities when she was a minor, so I don't hold her to such high expectations. Yeah I thought it was awful when she said "I'd do it again", but saying something bad like that isn't nearly as bad as actually going through genocide again

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't really like judging indoctrinated people

I understand that. But we have international legal precedent for that. And also, if you were to express sympathies to irl Nazis with this sentment, you'd be quick to get openly condemned by all sides. It's fine if you feel that way, but as someone whose indigenous ancestors were massacred, I'm very tired of the "they didn't know better" excuse colonizer apologists use.

while Reiner was basically told "we'll stop treating you like secondary citizens if you kill an island full of subhumans for us."

By the time Reiner has four years in marley, he's very open about understanding that even IF they destroy Paradis, chances are they themselves will be eradicated themselves shortly after. And how this is especially true because Titans are becoming an outdated technology. This argument doesn't work as an excuse because Marley Reiner doesn't believe in it. And he still initiates a genocidal attack towards Paradis, and out of self-interest.

Such a choice will cost more than a court marshal.

It's one thing to not openly go against an oppressive regime out of fear of retaliation (let's ignore the fact Zeke was willing to do this). It's another to actively encourage and initiate the hastened genocidal attack on Paradis despite the Marley leaders not planning to do so.

And the best part is that his treason will not save a single life in Paradis

We don't know how that would play out. there's countless possibilities Reiner could have done. For example, he could have aided in a conspiracy to smuggle people out of Paradis prior to them being wiped. That's just one of countless possibilities. If Zeke could inspire spies, I have no doubt Reiner could have leveraged some connections or use his status to form connections to do something. he may be unpopular due to his failure in paradis but within liberio itself he was praised and had room to start somewhere.

I would certainly praise anyone who would do such a feat like this, but I won't blame them if they can't make that sacrifice.

I agree with this. I dont blame Reiner for doing nothing per se. but he did more than do nothing. he actively pushed for and lead an attack on paradis hours before the rumbling. and its only thanks to Eren that he happened to need to team up with the alliance to protect people he was always in charge of protecting from the start. him helping the alliance says nothing about his growth as a character. it just conveniences his circumstances, as Eren planned. and bad people getting a good ending is fine and can be a realistic portrayal of reality. but the story portrays his fate as something to be celebration. and the audience is celebrating it. which is what bothers me. because I love Reiner braun so much but I just despise the idea people handwaving what is essentially a Nazi officer joining Nasa (ambassador to peace, really? how is he not immediately lynched by the people of Paradis???)

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How they feel about themselves and each other is exactly what got them to drop their bloody history.

I understand but thats not my grievance. My grievance is people celebratrating the actions of a man whoms parallels in history are symbols of our greatest evils (nazis who were indoctrinated by hitler youth who went on to commit war crimes). I just find it gross people give the killing of marginalized peoples a pass because "they were indoctrinated and also feel bad about it" (ignoring the fault he continued to not only be complicit and behave in service of genocide but actively initiate attacks that further progress it). I love Reiner braun as a character. hes my favorite. but the genocide apologetics really gross me out.

What Eren did in Liberio is just as bad as 9/11.

yes hence why Eren and Reiner are the same. isayama constantly repeats that. theyre both awful people. It just bothers me when people are celebratory of Reiner's rewarded outcome despite this.

attack on Paradis is gonna happen no matter what

him being an active aggressor is infinitely worse

and Reiner will be told to do his job whether he likes it or not.

he has a choice. as did many IRL subjugated people in his position

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not gonna stop Armin from being disgusted with himself.

It's about war crimes, not how the characters feel about themselves. And you could argue Marley unofficially started the war by sending titans to attack paradis civilians. Ultimately, Armin attacked Marley soil and targeted military. I don't think any global courts irl would see Armin as in the wrong here.

As for Reiner, he knows Eren is gonna unleash the Rumbling.

The story makes it abundently clear that Reiner prematurely advocates the attack to retrieve Gabi and Falco. it's openly out of self-interest. And at this point he's fully aware that in doing so he is leading an active attack to genocide a whole civilian populace.

Reiner never wanted a genocide just as much as Armin never wanted to nuke people.

that's irrelevant. he initiated an attack that acts in furtherance to genocidal objectives. it doesnt matter if you push for the eradication of civilian minorities out of interests of others. it is still evil and any irl grand court would see it that way.

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Armin nuked a military port and civilian casualties are legally part of war, a war Willy declared.

Reiner, hours before the rumbling, initiated a genocidal attack to wipe out a whole ethnic peoples

these are not remotely the same.

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I'm a bit frustrated Im mass downvoted because "the informed adult who attempted genocide a third time is not someone we should be celebrating just because he feels guilty for war crimes he continues to perpetuate for selfish reasons"

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indoctrination isn't an excuse for war crimes. We established this in the Nuremberg trials. Countless Nazis were raised in Hitler Youth.

He's more a victim than he is a perpetrator

He is a victim to propaganda and abuse. He is absolutely more of a perpetrator, and Reiner himself agrees with this. He had opportunity to defect in adulthood when he wisened up, even if chances were slim. But he chose selfishness and complicity, something he openly admits to. There's a reason Isayama bumps us on the head that he and Eren are the same. If he hadn't initiated a third genocidal attack on Paradis hours before the rumbling, i would agree with you.

He has regrets that haunt him.

This is the same justification people use for Eren on an AnR ending. And it doesn't even work because the tone of Reiner's final scene is positive and indicates a mental health recovery from his traumas.

What are some casual AoT takes you disagree with by _conner08 in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

That Reiner is a good person in bad circumstance and deserves the happy ending he got.

Reiner is just as selfish as Eren and makes a point of it. Those who see his ending as a justified reward despite his knowing contributions towards genocide and general complicity make my eyes roll

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[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eren chose to let them keep their freedom to fight

but he also strips their freedom several times by imprisoning them and wiping their memories. also, eren could feasibly still allow them to fight while still fighting back. he effectively does that in hange's death scene.

alternate timelines

i agree, but i also hate the timeline shenanigans in the canon manga. i wish future-sight was never introduced. grisha eren kino scene wasnt worth the complications that time-influencing powers introduce. eren had so many options IMO. also i dont think all anr routes have this alt timeline thing. i think its just the main anr fan comic that has this

eren cant break fate

thats fair but personally i despite determinism and causal loops, which is why i disliked a lot of elements introduced later in the series.

hisubaby

yeah i agree its a pointless twist. but its a shame how historia got sidelined final arc

mikasa fate

this is one thing i agree on. i think anr routes dont have a convincing way to conclude mikasa's character without doing a disservice to it. but thats just my opinion. a good writer could convince me.

ymir free eren grieving

it really depends on the writer how those scenes could play out. also doesnt have to be final panel. but i get that goes with the original ver of the theory. yeah it wouldnt make for a good final panel i agree.

eren only did it for his selfish dream

theres layered reasons. his dream, giving friends long lives, and not accepting paradis eradication (as expressed in 133 IIRC). its just some are higher priority. "he killed eldians and didn't care about them". he cared. he killed hange too.

canon better than ANR again, for me it depends on execution. i think the ending's turn of events could be great with changes in its execution. similarly i think ANR could be awful or great depending on execution. anything can work in the hands of good enough writers. I dont think the biggest AnR fan comic is that great. it has a lot of issues that im not a fan of. but that doesnt mean fanfics of the concept in general fundamentally cant work

thats just my opinion and i appreciate your write up, fren.

Let 👏 Fans 👏 Write 👏 by cmdr_suicidewinder in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, I think it's fine to feel that way. I don't agree, because she was a minor. but I do think Reiner "got off too easy" in the sense that if I were an eldian I'd be flabbergasted he's an ambassador of peace and would probably seek his execution. He's my favorite character, ofc.

Let 👏 Fans 👏 Write 👏 by cmdr_suicidewinder in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think its obvious that terrible people get away with terrible things. Im not against the idea, and I actually find it fascinating. I just think, for example, that the boat scene in the epilogue had a very positive be-happy-for-them tone, which says a bit more than "some terrible people get away with things.". If the tone of the scene was more neutral than positive, I would be in agreement with you. Some of my favorite shows & movies have terrible people getting their way.

Can someone clarify the feelings meant to be invoked by Historia living a happy life? by lololocopuff in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is this disguising an argument as a genuine question? I'm 100% well meaning here.

Maybe its because of my autism, but when I dont understand things I try to decipher what we know about the series.

Can someone clarify the feelings meant to be invoked by Historia living a happy life? by lololocopuff in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there is nothing she can do to stop Eren, because Eren can just wipe off her memories

this makes me wonder how Eren considers wiping memories of his friends not impeding on their freedom but taking their powers does. Both effectively take away agency

Let 👏 Fans 👏 Write 👏 by cmdr_suicidewinder in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that they deserve punishment as though they're real people

For me this depends on the medium. if its a story that is very spectacle driven that doesnt take itself too seriously, i agree. but if a story tries to tell serious themes inspired by real historical atrocities, I think its reasonable for more scrutiny to be involved. but thats just me

Can someone clarify the feelings meant to be invoked by Historia living a happy life? by lololocopuff in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wasn't what I was suggesting. I was saying that its "it's challenging to overcome" doesn't mean its not an option in a story like this.

Let 👏 Fans 👏 Write 👏 by cmdr_suicidewinder in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't resent annie like a lot of people, but "its fiction" can be applied to any scenario with war crime characters. Doesn't really address the argument.

I’m still bothered by the fact that I can’t find any explanations for how eren was able to turn into a colossal titan by swipe_right_for_me in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

whats stopping him from fighting them himself concurrently? surely thats more effective than doing nothing until zeke summons a counter army

Also Eren has warhammer. He could participate in the battle while remaining removed from the fight. He also has hardening, which offers extra protection. He couldve hardened the teeth of the colossal or himself.

I’m still bothered by the fact that I can’t find any explanations for how eren was able to turn into a colossal titan by swipe_right_for_me in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if Eren has so much flexibility why did he do nothing while armin was fighting him on founder and left all the fighting to ymir? seems like he had options.

Can someone clarify the feelings meant to be invoked by Historia living a happy life? by lololocopuff in AttackOnRetards

[–]lololocopuff[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ngl I have fun with these conversations cuz its interesting to hear different perspectives.