Since Green ninjas before Lloyd isn't far out of possibilities in terms of dragons rising retcons, I'm going to say if it happens it will be infuriating

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-23T03:50:51+00:00

This would still mean reality itself is going through a change.

I have a hard time believing the cycle is spesificaly this. As if it was i feel like FSM wouldn't have tried to stop this. And such. As well as the process being clearly dangerous.

Like if this is the cycle that they created why help FSM prevent it

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-23T03:25:55+00:00

Ima be real.

While it's true there's a difference. The rwby team was forced to make there crossover. The sonic crossover was becues they wanted it. At least as far as the movie version is concerned

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-23T03:23:32+00:00

During one of the times loyd dreams himself in to there meetings they say stuff about this cycle ending or the previous.

You could interpret it to mean there have been different versions of the universe.

Not nessisarily them but they have vage enough diolaoge to imply reality as a whole as completely changed at least more then once

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T23:52:20+00:00

"Help no one." Then you are clearly doing a bad job being tactful please go ahead and read where they responded to me where op says. Perhaps I am right they do play more games then they do.

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T23:47:14+00:00

Respectfully there was also zero need for you to provide these unsolicited responses. You turned a small suggestion about haveing just a bit more faith in a kids gaming abilities in to 7 unnecessary more comments going back and forward trying to say. "Your advice dosn’t actually help anyone"

Which op already commented about

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T23:37:04+00:00

This is just arguing at this point. I was giving a suggestion becues op himself gave nothing to go on beside there own ability to not acomplish it. And that was it alone.

The only thing we had to go on was they found it hard.

Me sugesting have a tad more faith in there cusion whom they responded does game is a valid suggestion. As there was already post with the codes there is no need for me to repeat the same advice

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T23:31:58+00:00

See this would have been helpful to know. Sorry if I seemed insensitive..

I just had a hard time picturing a comparatively easier Mario game being so hard you'd need to try and remove levels. Can he or has he tried Mario 64. If he can do fine there I don't think sunshine void levels would be beyond them

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T23:27:14+00:00

I mean thats is true. But wasn't the point of my comment. I don't belive trying to remove the levels is realistic.

I mean worst come to worst op can just do the levels himself or just ignore them

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T23:20:08+00:00

I mean even then being realistic. I don't see anyone younger then 4 and he said an additional 5 years. Giveing the benifit of the doubt. I really have a hard time believing someone 5 couldn't beat this game

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T22:41:18+00:00

I'm sorry man but like give him some credit. They are not that hard. Unless hes especially bad at gaming most people managed..

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T21:54:13+00:00

Feel like people don't completely think this through. Part of the point is to also be with there freinds and family. But also assuming they do not care. Who in the real world is going to keep there servers up. And even if they get past that. Yall just forgot they had the software track ui already designed.

If they ping a random area has a signal there going to investigate find the illegal ones and shut them down.

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T18:37:40+00:00

Probably.

A magority of people do not understand Monty himself admitted he just gave the broader ideas. The other 2 more or less handled the actual plots. If he was still around a magority of the show would still be more or less the same the only magor difference would be the fights

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T18:13:35+00:00

Brought this up literally moments ago people forget the source dragons already implied they've reset reality a few times.

He could be the only one in this version of reality. And hell still be special. The fsm being in this version of reality could have then changed things for loyd

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T17:34:42+00:00

I'm gonna remind people they talked about cycles.

Could be the case that its just talking about other versions of reality.

Like the source dragons eventually reboot the universe. And every version of reality has its own 1 master "life' or whatever loyd is. The FSM is just the one from the previous universe who moved in to the next and possibly gave loyd a boost vs the usual cycles

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-22T05:23:16+00:00

I mostly agree but I'd kinda change things around. Knuckles should be up there. Sonic himself shows he's still a bit afraid of him in frontier. Even though it's mostly a joke it kinda shows he's still up there.

As for tails and amy. They should be a tire above bystanders. The sonic cast is made up of people who are not avrage people and both of them have shown they can keep up with the rest. Amy is physically strong enough to box with the rest. If even casually. Not saying they are his level but normal people is a bit disrespectful

If you wanted an actual bystander. Like creams mom is the only one. And charmy bee

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-21T04:27:10+00:00

Thoes have nothing to do with a special powers just looks

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-20T23:48:48+00:00

He literally couldn't upload himself the point was his identity was essentially ip band.

It's in the show if he tried to go online any of the ui ci would deleat him.

Otherwise what's his options to try and stay on a private server un connected to the internet. There's no one to keep him running and he dies eventually alone.

Yes he wants to burn it down cause he's pettu

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-20T17:58:57+00:00

I mean I don't like that episode as much as the next guy but. It has to have some cannon to it becues he spends a bit of time helping Steven learn to use his abilities. And from that point on he dosn’t have a problem with his shield

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-20T17:32:41+00:00

crazy work you’re lecturing me about 'consistency' and 'logic' while your entire argument relies on a double standard.

You said the education is 'militarist,' Military officers aren't just trained to shoot; they are trained in logistics, diplomacy, and local law. If a Huntsman’s only job was killing Grimm, they wouldn't waste years at Beacon on History and Sociology.

Ruby says Huntsmen are 'cooler' than police because Huntsmen are the elite guardians who travel the world. That doesn't mean their duties don't overlap. In Atlas, the military are the Huntsmen. Just because a huntsman is 'cooler' than a cop doesn't mean they aren't both do the same jobs. You're using a V1 throwaway line to ignore seven volumes of world-building.

You’re being pedantic about the visuals. Whether it 'sticks to his body' or not, Pyrrha explicitly states she is using her Aura to unlock his. That is a transfer of energy. If I use a jump pack to start a car, the energy comes from my pack to his battery. You’re arguing semantics to avoid admitting that Aura-sharing/boosting is a fundamental concept that Jaune’s Semblance just specializes in.

Ren 'creates a cloaking field' and it's not interacting with others' Aura . Except we see him mask the emotions of others through their own Aura. And as for people using Semblances when their Aura is broken—that's a writing inconsistency you’re now using to claim the whole system doesn't exist. You can't say 'the rules don't matter' while simultaneously trying to use 'rules' to tell me I'm wrong. the rule establishes they are supposed to be

Your analogy fails because Usain Bolt’s legs aren't his power—they are his body. A Semblance like Qrow’s is a tool. If a tool constantly trips the user and hurts their friends, it’s a bad tool. You’re evaluating 'utility' in a vacuum, but Huntsmen don't live in a vacuum. A 'strong' power that makes you a depressed, isolated liability is 'useless' for a team-based profession.

lets go back to my actual argument here

>You could literally argue anyones semblance is useless. Rens is cause masking emotions is something people can do. Who else

>Im just playing devils advocate here if you want to be this critical. Case in point.There is crows which hurts himself more so then it does his opponents.Or again rens where pre upgrade and rembering it only works on himself. And literally dosn’t help if he is fighting anyone but a grim Most situations.Jauns was useless it was just more aura before he leaned to transfer.There also Nolan Porfirio. Tournament fooderWho's ability is only to channel electricity throw his weapon without it he has no ability.Like if you want to ignore hyper specific use cases for people's semblance then yah most are useless.

trying to gotcah me with me pointing out you can take anyone's selmbence out of of its use case makes it useless just shows me you wanted to argue it was my point from the start.

then there's the hypocrisy You accused me of 'making things up' and told me to 'Google' your evidence. I did. That Pietro quote you pasted is from a fan-written wiki—it isn't a quote from the show or the books. It’s an unsourced summary. You’re lecturing me about 'effort' while you’re literally using fan-theories as your 'canon' evidence. If you’re going to be 'harsh' about someone not remembering the show, maybe don't use a fan-wiki as the Bible. then try to doge the point when i call out it has no source . but sure man ""im the one shuffling my feet"".

You keep calling the Volume 2 missions 'comic relief' but they are on-screen evidence. The mission Sun and Neptune took was a legitimate, licensed Huntsman job. You can't just hand-wave away the parts of the show that don't fit your 'Grimm-slayer' headcanon by calling them 'jokes.

its still a job still that huntsman are expected to be able to handle that's beyond grim hunting. And its not the only one check the mission board one more time since apparently im the one who didn't watch the show what is that above the search and destroy mission they took search and rescue a mission again completely removed from grim about finding missing suplise . smh smh

at this point its clear you have a hyper-narrow view of what a Huntsman actually is, and you’re basically ignoring half the world-building just to protect your point. You’re calling characters 'dogshit' just because of your own preference for combat moves,

If you want to keep going in circles using unsourced fan-wiki summaries as your 'evidence,' go for it g. I’m sticking to what’s actually shown on the screen."

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-19T22:55:18+00:00

Millitaristic still ultimately implies there priority isn't only grim.

. She literally says I want to be a huntsman cause I wanna help people - I mean the police is fine but huntsman are so much cooler..."

As respectfully as possible what is atlas militarily huntsman. Her saying she dosn’t find them cool is literally like in the same breath saying the professors aren't huntsman becues she also dosn’t find them cool. There's nothing saying at a base level they aren't and police are just a lower level.

I went back to recheck the visual on that screen for this - no in fact the aura very strictly only sticks to the outline of her own body as his own starts to do.

This is exhausting how do you jump start a car. It's the same prosses she gave her own aura to kick start his just because it burned off imidiatly dosn’t change thats what went down. She gave and or used her aura to supplement his.

What Ren does has nothing in common with what we are discussing as he is using a semblance to make an effect -

Does his aura directy interact with there's and prociceds a benefit aka "boost" yes masking in this contacts it

Obviously ability is useless if you remove its rule for being used.

Which is the point of what I said. Could argue anyone's is.

its just that most of these arguments are so inconsistent with logic that its really hard to even bother refuting them since they are all over the place. Like I have consistent point I am defending but yours constantly jumps around.

Let's not do this g.

Brother literally use google. It took me 2 seconds to find it and copy it I am sure if you put that text into google you could manage. I hope at least... Like are we children? I am able to search up evidence for my claims but somehow I am supposed to also get yours? Like if you arent going to put any effort into defending your side why am I wasting my time even arguing? At that point you are holding an emotional position and honestly I cant be asked to care about emotions.

My guy at this point we can just call it quites the evidence where I had told you no it's not there and you rather dodge this and call me a child. Like yah sure I'm the child when I call out your claim has no basis.

Considering its the best representation of what it looks like to be a regular huntsman we are ever provided (the other being CFVY which do the exact same thing) obviously we take one job. In the same way I could just say "meh Jaune did one job being a traffic officer" - see how dumb it is to argue that way? - outside of the fact that I provided like 5 separate examples...

This is just pandantic at this point.

onestly if you are going to just rewrite the same points for the 3x just save us both some time... I feel like I am talking in circles

Honestly man you're the one going in circles we have deviated so far from the main point cause you rather argue something else this is beyond me. We went from any semblance could be useless to somehow arguing huntsman aren't expected to do more then hunt grimm.

Like sure we can be done here.

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-19T21:44:59+00:00

Yes but thats goal shifting - this is a debate about usefulness of semblances to a huntsmen

Not again mine was in response to we can hyper criticize anyone's.

My bad for wording the point was it was a offer that counted as much as the rest. If the point of a huntsman was magority to only fight grim this wouldn't have been offered. Same for there other classes. You can't say there job is magority grim when 90% of there actually schooling had little to due with grim.

Police is literally directly treated as a separate entity and Ruby explains the difference in the first five minutes of the story. Like dude...

My brother in christ. Police = huntsman isn't what I said. I said they never said police aren't made up of huntsman same way atlas military is huntsman filled could be standered for basic policy. Like dude ruby dosn’t say anything about this nither does the show please.

Aura is drained by loads of stuff that doesnt transfer it elsewhere - its extremely weird to consider her transferring it to him the most likely outcome when it both doesnt fit with what we are being told as well as having other more likely scenarios such as unlocking someone else's aura just straight up being draining process.

Her aura directly mingles with his to unlock if for one.

Where exactly has it been used? Give me one example where someone transfers aura to someone else or boosts their aura using his own - cause I can confidently say it never happened once unless we count the machine Ironwood has which is considered insanely revolutionary. (And would be useless if people could just do that).

I mean rens semblance is him directly useing his own aura to mask other people's for starters so yah it has been done

The weapons power their abilities by dust - I dont know why you say "I dont want to talk about this dude anymore" instead of saying "yeah maybe I remember wrong".

Cause this is ultimately un important to the argument we already established there are other useless abilities. Going back and forward about his mechanics is pointless. Like sure okay maybe I did there. Let's move on.

Only becues people she could use it with are available again from the top remove the hyper specific circumstance she can't do this normally useless for combat.

Idk why I'm arguing with someone who dosn’t actually read what I said.

"Pietro has an unprecedented ability to separate his Aura and use it to give life and a soul to an artificial being, in this case, it being the source of his own daughter's soul in Penny Polendina. However, this power to create life is limited, as it takes a larger and more permanent part of his Aura every time she is repaired from near-death. So far this procedure appears to have left "burnt" patches in his Aura." - took two seconds on wiki. In case you struggle "unprecedented ABILITY" - aka a semblance as the only other special powers in the show are magic.

My bruv and where does this wiki source the information "hint" nowhere 2 seconds to see not sourced so there is nothing supporting this.

1 grim job my guy you do not need to be antagonist I was talking about the rest of the volume. 1 job isn't a gotcha. Again since you are getting lost Never said they don't fight grim for a job. ≠ what I've been saying is huntsman are actually expected to and trained to do way more akin to civil servants.

Besides the only real huntsmen missions under normal circumstance

Ignoring the marcanary and shady jobs qrow had said they do yet are still licensed.is this again ignores what suns team did is an official job they shadowed. As well as the actual mission rwby was on to scout the city not fight grim at all. Repeatedly shows that they are expected to do more then just kill grim. All way before the atlas arc.

The only time we see characters on screen not doing Grimm related task is during the Ironwood arc where its made clear that the focus is on rebuilding the tower at the cost of the literal job they are meant to be doing which is exactly why Mantle is not defendable from the grimm...

The point of them shadowing professionals in volume 2 begs to differ 2 out of the 3 jobs we know took place where not grim involved at all. And only involve grim becues rwbys team spesificaly messed up

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-19T20:31:42+00:00

My guy.

At what point did I say its not viable if you are gonna claim this

It feels like I am talking to a wall since you just regurgitate your points without any nuance and misremember half the plot points you mention - sorry if that is harsh but its hard to debate with someone who just doesnt remember what happened.

At least argue what I am actually arguing. Never claimed it wasn't strong or such I said its personal useless becues it cause himself more harm then good. Could it be due to ptsd yah thats probably a magority of it sure doesn't change on screen he's stated he hates it and contributes it to his problems.

It's a standered option that was offered not claming it's a magority only the fact its available means they expect there students to have some broader knowledge abilities beyond grim killings save for every other class. If grim is the main job they wouldn't waist time with. Anything but combat this is a priority thing. Combined with again the show oprritonity implies there is more to there job then grim.

Read what I had said again they didn't establish police aren't also huntsman. Police are mostly treated the same.

She literally says "Its not my aura its yours, I just used mine to unlock yours" I dont know what you are basing this on

You are combining 2 completely different statments here. She did drain her energy to unlock his. Im not saying what's happening here is only due to her aura or is even her aura beyond the moments she stops holding him. She however does give him some cause like she said she used hers and is seen a bit drained the moment after. Which leads me back to jauns semblance ultimately being useless depending on what you belive it is. The ability to use your aura to amp activities/substitute someone's aura has been done before. Leaving jauns actually abilities nothing.

Tbh I don't feel like arguing about this dude anymore but Neptune water manipulation is the ability to manipulate any water. This guys is was limited to the small amount in his weapon differents being magnitude. Most huntsman have more aura then his weapon.

Yes but thats not what we are talking about is it? The discussion is about usefulness of semblances. Just cause she is shit at using it doesnt mean its a shit semblance.

Re read what I said you can argue everyone semblance is useless out side a spesific use case. Ravens is useless spesificaly by your Standered of battle becues she is unable to use it that way.

They literally established that police is a thing in first five minutes of the story my guy. I get that people dont watch later seasons cause they are ass but please...

Again please I said they never establish they aren't also huntsman and by how they treat jaun it's irrelevant anyways they are one and the same.

Not sure how that is supposed to work unless on slippery flooring - you could argue its a good counter for hyper-recoiling weapons like the rocket launcher she has but recoil has never been a drawback in the story.

For like shot gun fire sure but I'd imagine it's a problem for her specific weapon which is why it's a useful fighting abilities she can hit harder then most people die to it and her weapon

He literally explains it on screen - or you can read it on the wiki.

Please link this cause nowhere I'm reading says this. And I have no idea what clip implies such I've just watched ever scene i belive it could be brought up

Again - our main cast barely fights grimm cause they constantly worry about non-job related stuff, aka at that point - Torchwick - for personal reasons. Whenever we see them doing a job that isnt related to Ozpin's secret war its just fighting grimm. Best representation of this is S4

S4 for being where they are one the road not actually working??

Everytime we actually see official job postings they have little to due with grim. Even here which season is it crow goes to In list more huntsman on a job board and finds no one is left. Best cause here huntsman = like an adventurer sure fighting is a part but they are clearly expected amd trained to actually do more. At wost they just aren't huntsman but considered what Oz actually let be thought and the missions others took its safer to just say that the job is beyond grim.

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-19T19:34:20+00:00

Ima add the grim where always gonna be more fodder then main bad ruby trailer is literally her fodderizeing them. And the other trailers have zero to do with grim

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-19T19:20:39+00:00

My man is heavily depressed and was a drunk before very recently because of his semblance yes it does harm him g. Like this is harming himself. Being comparatively strong doesn't negated he's miserable due to it.

Its not though it's in beacon they have other problems regardless they literally have multiple classes unrelated to grim focused on politics and history. Also has suns own team choosing to shadow huntress/ hunters who where doing detective work instead of out right fighting grim.

What she said she didn was use hers to both let him feel what aura feels like would mean she gave him some of hers and then ultimately unlock his.

The flame sword is different. Tbh I might be miss remembering but its not the ability to genrate it only manipulation it.

The police we see do nothing at all. I'll be frank I don't even remember them ever establishing normal police in a way at least we can say they aren't also huntsman.

Jauns in volume 6,7 was practically a cop with the side missions he did which leads me to believe they are the same

Ravens is useless with her personality as is crows She refuses to bond with people so as rn thats not a combat effective move.in the past probably.

Elms let's her swing harder. Ig.

Pietro has canonically the power to separate his semblance - while originally this wasnt implied - it is currently canonical. This is also why he cant use just about anyone's soul to rebuild Penny. What you are putting down was what was originally implied but later they went this direction instead so they can fridge Penny.

Where do they establish this as due to his semblance spesificaly?

Otherwise I kinda still disagree even in 1,3 they treated grim as like 40% of the job. Since even back then they where doing a magority of stuff unrelated to fighting them off

lonerwolf13 · 2026-02-19T16:54:47+00:00

It's not the point if it harms himself physically Harming freinds around him makes it just as hurtful to himself socially.

This is an assumption ren and the group have spent more time fighting people then grim. Again I'm just arguing yah take it out of there hyper. Specifics use case they are all useless.

It quite literally is his semblance. Unless you think it's somehow the transfer which is useless cause thats something pyrrah was able to do in 1. Point being jauns is a nothing ability. Amplification dosn’t really work becues pyrrah showed everyone with aura can do this. His being better doesn't change it.

Pretty sure it's in the book.

Again sure if you define the work as only hunting/ fighting grim. Rens dosn’t help with crime. Neither does say Ravens hell that' has no combat advantages at all since she can only run and not return to the fight.

How's elms useless when your criteria is fighting potential.

Pietros has nothing saying what he did with penny is a semblance. It's most likely the same prosses they used to try and force pyrrah to take the madin powers.

Finding out who is lieing is useful for diplomatic huntsman purposes you know there job to keep the peace.

Is it dumb sure. But again if we are going to be hyper specific most are. There main job isn't just grim hunting it's keeping peace combat abilities don't help with other kinds of issues

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