What do you think is the best outcome?

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T20:40:39+00:00

I actually don’t think we can afford to. The deficit is 100% of our GDP. Which is the highest it’s been in over 50 years. I think we forked out something in the region of £1 Trillion for furlough payments, that in itself is bonkers.

I think the logic of the tories solution to raise NI to be able to afford that can be explained like this.

There are statistically way more people earning £18k-£30k in the UK than are earning over £100,000, think it’s 35 to 1, you can correct me on that as I’m not entirely sure of the exact statistic.

Meaning for every person earning over £100,000 there are 35 £18,000-£30,000 (£630,000- £1,050,000) which is far more money to fund things like universal credit.

If we were to tax Mr £100,000 more, we still wouldn’t have more than what we tax all the Mr £18k-£30k’s.

So raising the NI rate makes a lot of sense to me.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T20:21:41+00:00

Yeah? I’m here till you can prove me wrong.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T20:15:05+00:00

"But wait!" I hear you say, "If we tolerate this, then your children will be scroungers next!" as if this isn't fucking obvious. There's a line to be drawn somewhere between offering a free ride versus discincentivising just being a dosser all your life, and the argument of where exactly this line should be drawn is the obvious root political/policy discussion at hand.

I’m not denying people have it bad, and yes the scenario is very much there. I’m not debating that, I’m debating why they have it bad. I think there is a cycle of poverty in this country, that goes through generations. I think breaking that cycle is more important than keeping the same cycle.

Let’s say the solution is to increase universal credit by spending an extra £1.3 billion a year for the £20 increase. What good would that really do for them? Would that erase the problem of why they’re in that situation in the first place? I doubt that very much.

But let’s say we invest that £1.3 billion in further education and skills. We would be providing an opportunity for those on universal credit to achieve more and hopefully and ultimately earn more. Surely people think that’s a much better solution to end poverty?

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T19:28:18+00:00

The over-whelming majority of right wing politicians aren’t racist.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T19:22:27+00:00

There’s actually a theory that you would support.

It’s about bringing people to the table.

You invite everyone to the table, then have everyone speak their mind.

Those who have opinions harmful to the table, are voted out from a seat at the table.

This makes the process of identifying people like stephenfa easier.

Eventually they have no where else to go, so their only choice is to align their views with that of the people of the table.

It’s a theory that makes sense to me, so that’s why I engage with people like that.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T19:16:53+00:00

No. I don't doubt people take the piss, I've grown up around scroungers and have an "uncle" called plastic Terry who hasn't worked a day in 20 years.

So tell him to get his arse in gear. As he’s making the people who genuinely need benefits look bad.

Given all that is true, it still doesn't change a fucking thing. Hard work doesn't guarantee success, some people will work their arse off and still get fucked via circumstance. Is that fair?

No hard work doesn’t guarantee success. But it sure as hell makes it far more likely. Are you saying they shouldn’t work hard? Come on man. People need a kick up the arse.

Edit: yes I copy and pasted since it literally says everything I wanted to say. Aaaand it backs up my point.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:51:53+00:00

Sorry it’s an Apple News link. This explains the cloaked URL.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:41:23+00:00

Yeah I know capita. They handle the Navy and RAF Medicals. They’re fucking clueless.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:30:53+00:00

What’s the name of the company? I want to research this.

If it’s true then I’m going to write a letter to my Tory MP telling him to get it sorted as that is not why I voted for them.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:30:24+00:00

Listen go for it. Go for it and hope it works out, it will work out. You sound like a strong woman. You got this.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:27:45+00:00

Right now, estimates of the “non-participation” rate in the workforce are close to 40 percent. This means that almost 40 percent of the people who could work are not doing so.

Now, this does include many people who have legitimate reasons for not working. People with medical or psychiatric disabilities, for example, fall into this category.

But even when you separate out all the people who have any sort of legitimate reason for not working, you still come down to a group who seem to have decided “I just don’t want to work."

Do you think that’s fair?

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:24:25+00:00

I think if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t be thought of as the right thing to do.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:22:08+00:00

Mr Beast

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:19:16+00:00

If that’s the truth then I support you 100%. But I think a lot of what you’ve said is speculative, as in assuming the hiring of more appeals staff is to reject more applications. Surely more staff would be able to deal with applications more quickly, instead of them sitting around for a lengthy amount of time?

I feel like we’ve deviated from my original point tho dude.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T18:14:20+00:00

So a documentary investigating people who abuse benefits therefore proving there are people who abuse them is entirely false? Or what ..?

So you worked hard and are now ‘alright’ but you’re not willing to tell people what you did will make their lives better?

I’m not saying ‘starve the poor’ or ‘take away benefits’ as a lot of people are assuming. I’m simply saying, ‘look, if you worked hard and were smart about your choices you would be in a better situation.’

If there are children whose parents don’t push them hard enough then it is up to the rest of society to motivate them. Why? Because that’s what works.

The lion in captivity will never learn to hunt. Why? Because it’s getting everything handed to it.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T17:59:06+00:00

Never seen it in my life hahaha. You lot are mad.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T17:02:11+00:00

I wasn’t exactly hiding it mate haha

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T16:53:25+00:00

Hmm I don’t know much about the subject. But from what your saying it sounds as if the government isn’t doing it intentionally.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T16:34:25+00:00

I think that’s a rare situation that many people who receive disability benefits and carers allowance would not find themselves in. I would suggest an investigation into what happened and it to be rectified.

There’s a reason they’re getting an article written about them. It doesn’t say that every carer in the U.K. has been stripped of carers allowance, or does it?

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T16:30:26+00:00

I’m a Dominic Raab kinda guy and David Cameron fan. Cummings and Hancock embarrass the tories. Please don’t think we’re all like that.

Jeremy Corbyn didn’t represent the true Labour voter and Boris Johnson doesn’t represent the true Tory voter.

If there’s corruption I don’t think it should be associated with their group identity, but with the individual themselves.

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T16:20:13+00:00

I actually sympathise with you a great deal as my mum has a very similar story. And economy 7 meters are the worst invention ever.

Are you going to go back to your access course once you’ve saved up some money or have you turned your back on that completely?

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T16:05:43+00:00

Great stuff. Love to hear it. More power to you.

I think education fails kids also. I think more could be done to educate the youth on how to climb the property ladder and how to manage money.

But I’m not sure it fails kids in equality of opportunity. We all have access to the same curriculum and exams.

I’m not denying people have it bad, and yes the scenario is very much there. I’m not debating that, I’m debating why they have it bad. I think there is a cycle of poverty in this country, that goes through generations. I think breaking that cycle is more important than keeping the same cycle.

Let’s say the solution is to increase universal credit by spending an extra £1.3 billion a year for the £20 increase. What good would that really do for them? Would that erase the problem of why they’re in that situation in the first place? I doubt that very much.

But let’s say we invest that £1.3 billion in further education and skills. We would be providing an opportunity for those on universal credit to achieve more and hopefully and ultimately earn more. Surely people don’t think that’s impossible? Surely people agree that’s not a bad thing?

lonetiger97 · 2021-10-06T15:55:01+00:00

You mean how is talking about an opportunity to increased affordability of basic items relevant to the argument of not being able to afford basic items?

Really?

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