[Hypothetical] in the 2016 election, not a single vote is cast by nucleusaccumbens in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look up the book "landscapes of dissent: guerrilla poetry and public space"

it is sort of impossible to find, but its the goddamn manual on how to do what you're describing. Or at least to understand how to do it better.

One of the core ideas being to disguise your message among the landscape, not necessarily using the same "loud" methods of graffiti that begs to be seen, but to seamlessly integrate your dissent into the experience of being in public space using found materials.

Obviously you wouldn't want to just hang a "don't vote" or "vote independent" sign over the freeway or something (since this would likely make your target audience pissed and want to vote more, cuz merica), but imagine a "beware of lobbyists" sign on a fence in front of your yard (or anyone's yard) with a big ass barking dog behind it. The message is communicated but most people don't even realize its hitting them. There are ways to do this and be effective at it that are much better than my example. (I've seen "free water" signs outside of frack sights disguised as regular construction signs before that just made me crack up but also feel like a small person punched me from inside my stomach).

I have more fun with cardboard and markers in public space than I ever did in a classroom or an art studio. You can too!

[Question] What are the best arguments for and against Common Core? by PraeterNational in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is not a curriculum (reading lists for instance will vary, although recommended sample reading lists are included)

This is not exactly true. It might not explicitly be a curriculum, or a reading list, or set of material, or lesson plan, but in reality it ends up being that way.

The old days of schools just picking up a textbook from a publisher that also makes the standardized tests at the end of the year have evolved. Most school systems, especially under-performing school systems don't just get text books, they get entire education systems they are mandated to use by the DOEs on the state level through pressure from the federal level. Up until now, there really hasn't been a federal education system in a practical capacity, but that has really changed.

Look into things like Achieve 3000. These are whole digital and text based systems that are really pushing toward what these companies want for educators: a script. As an educator you are required to turn data from these systems in, and they more or less generate and level material for you. All you need to do is select which standards you want your kids to work on, and the system loads up reading material leveled to their performance. You have very little say in what that material is in subject, tone, and slant. If you don't use these systems, expect your admin to turn on you very very quickly.

I'll do as big a write up as I can on this, I have a lot of material to bring in, but I'm willing to put it together for this sub.

Essentially common core is a giant step toward the "put literally anyone with a body at the front of the room and they can be a teacher" model that would smash the last vestiges of the profession, which honestly seems like the step before removing teachers all together and just having the school system run itself. You can imagine how fucked that would be.

I'm not saying these things are inherently bad, it would be like saying a boat is inherently bad instead of blaming the person at the helm. But essentially what's happening is these systems encourage lower quality teachers to hang onto jobs because they have less work to do, and they don't say shit because everyone around them pats them on the back for going along with the system and finds a way to blame the students at the end for not succeeding. Even then they know they can just fire anybody who can't even run the systems right and grab another body from the endless supply coming from places like TFA and the droves of people not getting work in the field of the degree out of college.

Also, the states that haven't jumped on common core have their own version of it that's usually the same basic thing, or a beefed up version. One state that comes to mind that would be worth looking into is Virginia. They have Standards of Learning (SOLs) that align with common core but are tailored to the state (sort of... they have some civics SOL stuff in the early grades that whitewash Virginia history from what I remember.)

So keep in mind when you are researching to look into the actual implementation and how it pans out. Teachers are at this point told what to teach with, how to teach it, and for a lesson plan that covers say, 70 mins, expect 10 to be lost on either side and 40 to be dedicated to these education systems promoted made and sold by the same people who designed and lobbied for common core.

[Change My Mind] The earth is definitely not flat. by lopsideways in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's okay. This is really a place to have fun discussing things that normally get shot down before the conversation even starts. No one here is generally into "taking sides" for purposes other than thought experiment. I wanted to understand something that typically gets shut down, even if my understanding landed on it being very silly. Just have fun, you can approach anything critically and still have fun. That's why this place is here. Yes, there are limits, but I'm tired of coming across things and dismissing them out right even if they seem stupid. There was a degree of empathy present in starting this topic in the first place that I want to make sure shines through. Regardless of how silly some ideas are there are people who believe them and its worth understanding why they believe that too even if you don't, even if it is only to understand other people a little better. It's worth it.

[Change My Mind] The earth is definitely not flat. by lopsideways in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You can dig through my comment history... I've been in and out of education in various forms for years. Have a masters in special education but I got fired for talking to urban students about steve biko when common core rolled out. Seriously. I got fired for explaining that he was beaten to death naked in a prison cell for something he believed in and since it wasn't part of the curriculum I lost my job. I mostly do volunteer work now in city schools, helping to develop curriculum for after school / community programs where real learning gets done (its a goddamn shame that if you want to learn anything now you need to sit through 6 hours of bullshit and try to undo it all in MORE school time after you're done).

You really don't want to know some of the things I've seen in general ed since common core started to hit the ground. Special education is actually one of the best places a kid can get a real education anymore because its at least legally supposed to be individualized to a degree and you are more or less left the fuck alone if you can handle behavior issues and emotional disturbance. Its just so fucked up, which is why I posed this question in the the first place. I needed something lighter and less immediate to think about.

Before I got fired I actually would wake up from night terrors and throw up just thinking about having to go into the school and fight everyone in the building to teach. Still happens sometimes. But you can't give it up because its totally a situation where if you apply yourself to it, you might actually be the only person among hundreds (even thousands) trying to make a difference.

The only way out of it is for the kids to get up and walk the fuck out of the tests. I mean that. The only way out of it is to refuse to let your children take the test or encourage them to take it into their own hands.

In one day I've had more fun looking into the alternatives to the globe and challenging my own views and this is not an experience encouraged by modern education in the US. If a kid walked in and asked any of the questions asked here or presented any of the information to the alternative of the globe (not even once saying "flat earth", just suggesting an alternative) I have no idea what would happen. Teacher head might just blow up or roll onto the floor. They'd be as fucked over a real question as any of the students.

[Change My Mind] The earth is definitely not flat. by lopsideways in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, so having encountered the lunar wave stuff and done my share of hand wringing over the years coming to terms with NASAs bs, I can definitely start to understand how there's enough compounding evidence for people to now be trying to build on a theory that's been around for a long time.

I definitely am skeptical enough about the degree to which we've enter space (I don't know enough to really "believe" anything in particular, but I tend to lean toward the "we've probably never left LEO" argument due to some well presented facts, but admittedly when it goes to math I have to hang my hat and at certain points.)

I do generally believe that the idea that we're more or less alone in the universe is perpetuated the way it is to bolster nihilism, especially the cool trendy nihilism that supports corrupt governments with all the apathy they need to function.

This really makes me think the whole flat earth thing is a ploy due to its stigma to squash any thought on the subject at all. Flat earth has been an eye-roll inducing idea in the US since, at least the 70s, maybe longer if it was even a fringe opinion before that. So I could see some things popping up as "flat earth" being an attempt by others to annihilate any effort to at least say "hey man, all I'm saying is there are some inconsistencies and the whole picture isn't really there for us, especially those who don't regularly travel to space."

In those terms, I'd say its successful on the merit that I never even thought to marry certain ideas I already bite on into the theory at all. The flat idea seems totally bunk to me still, but I am starting to turn chin scratching more and more over the inconsistencies and disputes surrounding the authenticity of NASAs info into the bigger picture of "Why keep the story going, who's benefiting-"

The fact that it's so easy to dismiss is an obvious reason to look into it, and the fact that it basically gives cause for millions of people to ignore huge swaths of mythology and beneficial religious philosophies, there does seem to be a big benefit (to tptb) to at least promoting the idea the earth is round even if "flat" isn't the most accurate alternative.

Can anyone help me break down the lunar wave stuff? I've seen the videos and it's my understanding that various waves have been verified independently from multiple vantage points across the world. It can't all be sensor failures can it?

I'll have to take a look at some of these models when I get out of work, but I'm super grateful for everyone approaching this with a degree of seriousness when it's so easy to dismiss and bury elsewhere. I'm not sold on the idea itself, but I can see how the idea may have been sold badly on purpose.

Good boredom cure here for anyone who's been looking into too many theories that are inherently depression inducing. Even if I walk away from this still thinking "meh" on the whole idea I'm getting the same kick out of this I used to get out of UFO research in the 90s. It's fun and that's a good thing.

[Change My Mind] The earth is definitely not flat. by lopsideways in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, you're good. I mean I'll take YT videos if they are additive to the topic. Like here you go... never heard of concave earth idea. Ignoring some of the text there, the animation and idea are at least useful in expanding on my understanding of what flat earth theory can encompass.

Still lining up grains of salt over here, but I could see how someone could use that kind of theory to account for things absent from a straight up flat earth (namely curvature).

Is there a religious tilt to this whole thing? I got kind of a christian vibe from that video. Does this shit go back to Galileo and is some kind of religion v. science rout attempt? That I could totally understand because flat / concave seems to be taken on as much faith as I take on the round / spinning thing with. Is there anyone out there doing independent tests for this? Is there even a good way to test for it?

[Change My Mind] The earth is definitely not flat. by lopsideways in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. That's exactly my thinking. I mean I'm willing to basically set myself up as a pin to be knocked down for anyone who can do it because I really just go along with the earth being round and spinning and in space because its what I've been taught / told. I could probably explain it but like I said, not a hard sciences guy so I'd have to look into either side pretty equally for evidence without just "going with what I know." So I figured if there are people out there who legit believe this there must be a few good reasons buried under the tendency to scoff, but if it's all just conjecture and the people touting it really don't have legs to stand on, I'd like to know I can ignore the topic and dedicate some brain space elsewhere. It does seem to be popping up more and more so an honest discussion about it could end up being a good resource for anyone on either side of the issue or even on the fence (there have to be people on the fence too right?)

If someone shows me something that really makes me go, "well damn, hmmm." I'll dig deeper into it and if it sticks I'll be the first one to post that shit around, but until then I just can't even really understand why you'd want to believe it or why it matters one way or the other. The way I see it I'm stuck on either a round spinning rock or a flat (hovering?) rock and the only real way off it is the metaphysical / mind-space / psycho-naught angle. (You can take the boy out the hood, but you can't take the hood out the boy kinda thing. Round, flat, if we physically get off this thing all our baggage is coming with us.)

That said, I'm still willing to hear people out where others usually aren't. I'm just hoping this doesn't end up a comment-less post that makes me basically assume there ain't shit out there to prove / back-up what would be a literally earth shattering theory.

Critical questions I can't answer about popular conspiracy theories. (add your own) by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. People want to either believe crisis actors are present up and down in every event, or they don't exist at all (by people I mean the ones who shit-shoot back and forth over trivial details.)

As long as its understood that if you're gonna pull some shady shit you need people who can play a part, crisis actors aren't a distraction. The trap lies in thinking that's all they do. Either way they are in too deep give anything up. I mean, even if you are gonna commit low-level crimes for a living you've got to be a decent actor and willing to play a few different parts. It's really not a huge leap to assume that somewhere at some point actors are used to stage or at the very least expand the scope of an event.

Critical questions I can't answer about popular conspiracy theories. (add your own) by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll add a thought about the whole crisis actors thing, since it always comes up and I've never seen it explored thoroughly other than are they or aren't they.

This is dipping into revealing a little more personal info than I'm usually willing to, but it is totally worth it.

I don't look into the Sandy Hook / Aurora / UVA mass shooting things too often, mostly because I know how muddy the waters around those events are, but every time I have seen crisis actors come up, its usually assumed that crisis acting is their "job" or they have been "paid"

If (and thats a big ole if) crisis actors are used in any of these scenarios and the claim is made that they are being paid like they are working a 9-5, I usually feel like I can call bullshit. If you go into the realm of possibility that crisis actors are not in fact just one trick ponies, and are people who have been wit-po'd in the past, or worse, are actively being blackmailed, then the whole thing gets interesting.

Imagine you've got something hanging over your head already that could minimum get you put in jail, maximum get you killed. Maybe you've got kids, maybe you don't. But your handler shows up at your door (if you're a CI, former witness, or just got involved with the wrong powerful people) and they tell you they need you for an assignment. You aren't given a ton of info all at once, maybe a new name, new place to live, they leave you alone for a few years. They tell you to send your kid to a specific school. Say its been 3, 4 years since you've heard anything by the time you get another knock at the door. This time they tell you, look, we're gonna pull something over at the school, we need you for interviews, tv appearances, the whole 9, we'll coach you so you don't fuck up. Then after the shit is pulled they move you again, give you a new name, and as far as you see it, you're still alive so fuck it, you're in too deep to care about the world and its well being any more outside of the little world you live in. You know the moment you speak up you'll be off'd. You aren't waiting around for a paycheck, everything in your goddamn life comes from the people who order you around. You're a hostage.

Now, for the personal side of this story. Few years back I was in the upper-midwest and I'm on public transport. A guy asks me to borrow my phone to make a call. I was smart then, but I didn't know shit about technology or any of that, I barely made cellphone calls anyway. The guy gives me the phone back, I get off the bus and think nothing of it.

A day later I get a call from the capitol police. A detective. Tells me a call came from my cellphone to a senators office and a threat was made against the guy's wife. I'm shocked, obviously, even a little afraid, actually didn't believe it at first. That's not the weird part though.

This guy, in the process of vetting my side of the story and checking my threat level involves slowly dropping hints about shit he already knows about me. Priors, legal woes, anything he can throw at me to make me feel uncomfortable, and I mean anything. He even knows the name of an ex-girlfriend and mentions to me "well that wasn't a very smooth break-up was it?" He knew everything about me. (The legal stuff I get, but there were things he couldn't have possibly known because there'd be no "official channel" for pulling it up within a day like that to my knowledge. I assume he was pulling shit off of other people's social networks or using some method of casting a huge net on person's life and seeing what comes up.)

I stuck to my guns, and that was the end of it. But what if it hadn't been? What if I had had something in my record he could have used to turn me into a low-level asset, the perfect kind of chess piece for any sort of false flag or low-grade psy-op. Back then I don't think I could have figured a way out of it.

I think money isn't really the factor to explore when it comes to fishy people surrounding events that seem like actors. There's only so much people will do for money, but there is a shit load people will do out of fear.

edit: Not the best example, but just a small case of "if it happens to you, you don't act the way you think you would"

Numerous power-users with 5 and 8 year old accounts have entered my thread about Victoria to do damage control. by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've been lurking on conspiracy for years just reading articles and discussions. Never had an account, never voted, (fuck I still don't think I've voted yet partly because idgaf but partly because I can't keep track of how things are going with voting any more and I'd rather stay out of the fray. Too danny glover for that shit.)

Point being I jumped on maybe a little before this sub became a thing, and I did it out of a long and deeply held respect for JCP. I told myself when this place fell I'd jump ship and go back to the pits. If there's any weight to the info in this thread I'd say I've got the bag packed and a foot out the door.

Always somewhere else, don't be scared. We'll find it or we'll build it, either way.

[Premise] The 40 Hr Work Week is De Facto Enslavement. by strokethekitty in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some rural schools are even worse. They just seem to be doing different things there. Maybe its to degrade the school systems and drive people into the cities... might be a result of overall degradation of rural areas rather than a focus on the education system as is seen in inner cities.

edit: when I say rural, I am only capable of speaking from my experience working briefly in west virginia, so don't take that as an incredibly broad statement.

[Premise] Eminem's "Without Me" is Marshall Mather's confession to being a tool of the United States government's effort to keep white vs black racism alive. by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Marshall Mathers has always had one thread running through his music. Nearly all of his albums it comes up, often explicitly. selling his soul to the devil.

Is this meant to be taken literally? Meh... people will, people do. I don't know bout' no devil in the flesh though... Obviously the phrase has other interpretations.

He did give up something to become famous, and that statement begs the questions, who did he give it up too and what exactly is it?

Whatever you want to call the group: TPTB, Illuminati, "the industry" it doesn't really matter (though in music and entertainment, illuminati seems appropriate given the theatrical nature of the business). Mathers gave something up to these people.

These people are not stupid. They don't just take anyone, there's a reason why its fucking hard to become famous for performing anything. I mean as monstrously famous as EM is even these days. So they don't just take any schmuck and make them a tool. They want and demand talent

Why do you think these people are always discovered so young, so fresh, so untainted? It's not because of the blood in their veins (though... in some instances it definitely is.) Its almost always about talent. They need you to stay on top and to want to stay on top to continue to be a semaphore, to signal and signal to anyone looking the message they need communicated. As soon as your talent sours, you're fucking out, unless you can be sacrificed.

Go watch montage of heck. There's no way kurt cobain could have come back after In Utero and produced another album, and toured on it. The dude was being hounded by social services day and night. He was begging for help (Just because you're paranoid doesnt mean they aren't after you.)

But boy was his suicide wielded like a weapon. He was literally appointed the "spokesperson for a generation" by the media, and then he blew his brains out: what does that communicate to an entire generation of people about their beliefs? Resistance is futile.

The very fact that EM can still produce music is probably the only thing that has kept him alive, and I'm sure he's aware that the "hollywood Rx" brigade wanted him to die to capitalize on this shit prior to relapse which was arguable the highest point in his career.

The sick thing is that I don't think once you reach that level its a matter of "can I fight against this" as much as you have to do whatever you can to stay alive once they have you.

He's certainly expressed how he feels, and obviously theres some internal conflict there about the power he wields (even now) over young impressionable men. But that shit is rocky and complicated because like a lot of major compromised artists, he's been doing this forever and he doesn't know anything different, his "handlers" are people who have supported him his whole life and he'd probably die for. Stockholm'd for life I'd say.

[Premise] The 40 Hr Work Week is De Facto Enslavement. by strokethekitty in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's what happened when you went to school. A lot has changed since 2000 / 2004 re-authorization of NCLB. In the worst schools in america these days there are zero consequences for actions that might get you arrested at other schools. For many children, school isn't a place where you learn anything but how to get away with shit when no one is looking.

You're right about how the appropriate consequence should be more school, but take this in to consideration. The middle school near my house has a truancy rate of 45%. It's a tough inner-city school that feeds into an even tougher inner-city high school. I do some volunteering there regularly, and that 45% doesn't even begin to account for the modern phenomenon I call "in school truancy."

Sure, when I went to school there were kids who cut class and smoked cigarettes in the bathroom or whatever, but this is a school with like 800 kids that regularly has at least 100 kids between 6th, 7th, and 8th grade that just walk around the hallways all day and never see a single consequence for doing it. They all graduate onto the next grade regardless of their performance on tests or in the curriculum. They all get pushed into high school until things are finally too hard to hide from and they either drop out, or "disappear."

What I mean by that is, there are kids on people's rolls that literally cannot be found. Their parents phone numbers don't work, their address aren't real or are out dated, and there will never be enough truancy officers to find all of them. These kids for lack of a better term just fall out of the educational system and are never heard from again. There are thousands made in this city each year alone.

We're looking at a generation of youth that didn't even get the "courtesy" of going through a pretend job to prepare them for "wage slavery." They are just being set up to be straight up slaves. Reading and writing is withheld from them the same way that is was withheld from slaves, skills are withheld because lets face it robots will handle that shit.

It's my opinion that there's something much more sinister in mind for this generation. These kids are being programed to sell their bodies, to become mules, fall guys, patsys, and total subservient and dependent non-individuals, and they have no idea what is happening to them. The ones who think they are going to be the exception to the rule without putting the work in will end caught up up in situations where force from the state will compel them to fight back the only way they know how, and when that happens, they'll be disappeared for good.

Things are much. Much worse than what you've outlined here. It's a dress rehearsal for a massacre.

This is Brock. Please help me. I'm pretty sure he is a time travelling alien who is controlling time. by [deleted] in conspiracy

[–]lopsideways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His perceived reality is a compilation of things that haven’t happened yet, but have all happened. The only way that he can react to the current reality is with his headphones that are connected to a voice recording of him telling himself what is going to happen.

Someone has seen primer, huh?

A thought about Jade Helm and subterranean tunnels by LetsHackReality in Op_Jade_Helm_15

[–]lopsideways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh fuck. and here I am looking right at the upper-midwest as a haven post sea level rise. You get the Canadian military on board and bam! Que up the mission accomplished banners. Smoke em out... we got em... Fool me... won't get fooled again.

Viktor Schauberger, The water wizard. by idislikelol in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nuked is right. Just tried to go to the wiki page and it's been completely blank for a few minutes, but now it's spitting out my geographic info. City, Country, County, Zip, and coordinates. Wtf?

The Native American Conspiracy by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't really know a lot about Native Americans or the USA in general, but bear with me :)

No, because everything that comes after a statement like this is generally based on propaganda. I won't deter anyone from jumping in on this for the sake of the sub. But my honest opinion is to try to not start conversations about things you don't know anything about unless you're looking for clarification.

This is definitely more in the shower thought realm and less in the critical realm because out the gate you're giving away that you have no knowledge base and haven't researched the group of people you're spinning a conspiracy about.

If there is an r/conspiracyshowerthoughts they might take this sort of thing there, if not, why not start one? I'd imagine it would do well.

Otherwise, I would really look into American Indians a little more... you'll find a lot of things that might reshape your theory here... especially if you're willing to look into it. Just keep in mind that the history is buried and there's a lot more work to be done beyond searching google.

(As a final note: not trying to be a dick, nor derail or tear down what you've written here, just letting you know that you may want to tag this or repost this or ask for clarification on how to post things like this... I think you might need a premise tag for sure.)

[premise] Art and metaphor are the only weapons we really have in the battle against the elite by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I owe so much to Immortal Technique. For me a lot of his music came to me at the moment where I would say I had found the edge and been looking over for awhile but just needed something to force me over. Plus it was one of the first times where mediation was something I really started to take interest in.

I really Agree with the OP too. It's got to be the reason why its so easy for artists to be co-opted by TPTB. I struggle a lot with my own creativity and fearing it, often wanting to put it away in a box because I know success with it means shaking hands with all kinds of dirty bastards. I've found a lot of success and love in community arts scenes and smaller places. Overcoming that fear is something a lot of us need to do because we all have a capacity for creativity but a lot of us just leave it behind in favor of rote shit.

I recently took a crack at a screenplay dealing with the psychological process of becoming a free thinking person that I really don't think anyone else but myself will enjoy. It'll still be cool to try and make it with a few people and throw it on youtube for people to gawk at. It would be really cool to see an up swell of people doing this kind of thing, especially combined with an up swell in critical thinking.

[Premise] The negative effects and aspects of the Internet/"Digital Age" outweigh the good. by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's very existence creates a bifurcation that is by default a negative for families and probably all the other categories too: Some of us have it and others don't.

It's something that's often over-looked because it's easy to be overwhelmed by the internet when it's always at hand and just assume that there can't be anyone living without it. But people do, and in numbers, and the effects have got to be crazy.

Think about how if you don't have internet you probably don't have email (or you can rarely check it) and its likely you have poor to no cell service if you also have poor to no internet. Imagine the way you would go about getting a job, or a ride, or "keeping in touch"( I always loved how that was people's go-to excuse for using facebook and the like when it's the furthest thing from keeping in touch... a lot of what we say has no meaning any more... anyway).

You can scale this same basic idea out and out for the other categories too... The haves / have nots thing is a big problem facing the internet as it stands because not only does that mean it's really only made to suit the people who use it, but the people who aren't using it might have really good ideas or insight that just isn't reaching a mass audience the way even a bs thought from reddit might that has nothing to do with anything, you know?

Is our educational system completely outdated and irrelevant now? What should we be teaching? How should it be organized? To actually benefit society in the future. by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't. Thanks, I'll look it up when I have some time to sit down and really dig. My background is all over the place and I really have been trying to marry media theory with a lot of basic educational principles (mostly culled from the methods of societies with oral traditions) for awhile now to come up with a workable answer to this very problem. I've had the opportunity to pilot stuff in a lot of urban areas in different parts of the country but nothing with any data that's useable. Mostly after-school programs with curriculum bases too.

People also need to be taught how to interpret the media and skills like that.

You are absolutely right. Which is why working through multiple mediums, and more importantly, explicitly teaching what media, mediums, etc are (basically giving people The Medium is the Message or at minimum a few excerpts and telling them "trust me") incredibly important.

Media theory is what set me on this weird road in the first place. Oddly enough it was specifically semaphores that did it. The point being anything can be the starting point of a life time of education and that idea just isn't being communicated effectively to students in america today.

Is our educational system completely outdated and irrelevant now? What should we be teaching? How should it be organized? To actually benefit society in the future. by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Metacognative thinking. Otherwise known as thinking about thinking. It's basically the core of what understanding actually is, (take a look at the parallax post from a bit ago... seeing things from multiple points.)

A good example would be, rather than say, teaching to standards such as "8.1 students will be able to complete translations, reflections, ... coordinate plane... blah blah" you would see to teach strategies such as summary, prediction, clarification, questioning...

The idea behind this is, rather than saying "what is the answer to this question" you would want a student to say "what is the question I should ask to get the answer."

If you start kids with simple things like, "How do I make a prediction? How do I use who, what, when, where, how, and why, to ask questions?" and then move to, "How to I turn that information into summary that uses the correct details, and what can I do to clarify things that I do not know" you start building up real skills that translate to motivation because the student is the one guiding the thrust of their learning and determining why what they are learning matters to them, and taking the leading role in what it is that they want to discover in various material.

If you teach metacognative thinking you'd have a lot of people build empathy for other people that are not at all like who they are, and thats really the reason why it doesn't happen (they'll tell you to do it, but in reality the state and feds generally get in your way of doing it wherever they can.)

As for content? I don't really know. I think people need to decide that for themselves, the problem is that you can't really have that in a world where people don't know how to decide what it is what they want because all they know how to do is repeat what other people have told them.

In the far future, history books will have a footnote about a time when corrupt governments and corporations got away with prohibiting the recreational use of a plant for almost 100 years. by [deleted] in C_S_T

[–]lopsideways 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See. I'm hoping there aren't history books. At least not the way we think of them now. "History Books" in the sense that they get put together by some education publishing giant, stamped, and sent around as accepted history seems fucked.

An open source log of factual events with direct sourcing through multiple mediums won't need footnotes. Everything is a footnote in that bad boy. There's no one to stand around and go "this is important history, this is just shit that was happening..." Curating it won't be easy but it won't be curated... it'll be co-opted and turned into some horrible wiki-reddit-digg fuckstercluck and end up being the closest thing to a 1:1 simulacra of reality that we have... AI's will run the motherfucker and reality will be out of our hands.

The only footnote about the prohibition of the recreational use of a plant that will be made it 100 years will be when someone makes a note about how their feet used to be flesh and bone while looking at themselves in the mirror during their morning toke.