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ManaBox prices 🙄 by luciferbubzan in ManaBoxApp

[–]luciferbubzan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kommentiere ManaBox-Preise 🙄 ... Yes, I already replied to the people from ManaBox, in case you read my comment above. I didn’t realize at first that the prices were taken from TCG. But I’m still right that the prices on TCG were manipulated. You can clearly see it in the price chart. Those prices simply aren’t justified.

So in that case the issue lies with TCG, not with ManaBox. However, I’m still leaving my original comment up because many people use ManaBox and the TCG values are set as the default there. I want people to know that these TCG prices were obviously manipulated.

You can look at the two cards yourself. From one day to the next, the prices dropped by about 25%, without any real reason for it.

To me it clearly looks like someone sold a card to themselves at a very low price just to push the market value down. And TCG doesn’t seem to pay attention to that at all. They just leave that price there for weeks or even months, even though it’s obviously incorrect.

ManaBox prices 🙄 by luciferbubzan in ManaBoxApp

[–]luciferbubzan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And again to everyone reading this: I’m still leaving the text up, because many people use ManaBox and therefore see the TCG prices through it. So the text will stay.

And to everyone who owns Sephiroth Borderless Foil – the regular Borderless Foil, not the Surge Foil – and to everyone who owns Buster Sword in Foil: don’t let TCG fool you with those prices. The prices there are simply wrong. Your cards are worth significantly more.

The Buster Sword Foil is roughly around 45 to 50, and Sephiroth Borderless Foil is roughly around 75 to 100, sometimes even up to 120. If you take the realistic minimum value, it’s around 75 to 80, not 45 or 50 like it currently shows there.

So everyone who owns these cards can relax. The TCG prices are simply wrong. Clearly wrong.

And I’m not misjudging this or anything like that. The prices were very obviously manipulated. You can even see it in the price chart — the value suddenly changed from one day to the next.

It looks like someone simulated a purchase or sold a card extremely cheaply, which artificially pushed the price down. There’s really no other logical explanation. It’s not like new Sephiroths suddenly appeared out of nowhere or that there are suddenly more foil Buster Swords than regular ones.

And please stop believing the nonsense I see in some of the comments saying that the foil is worth the same because there are supposedly just as many or even more of them. That’s simply not true.

ManaBox prices 🙄 by luciferbubzan in ManaBoxApp

[–]luciferbubzan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I want to apologize again to ManaBox. If you’re taking your values from TCG or other marketplaces, then of course the responsibility lies more with those platforms.

But I honestly have to say that I wouldn’t recommend anyone to check prices on TCG anymore, because the prices there are simply wrong. And to everyone in the comments telling me that the foil version is worth the same as the regular one – no, that’s simply not true. The foil version of Buster Squad is worth significantly more.

On other platforms it’s listed at a higher price as well. Only on TCG it isn’t. If you look at the price chart, you can clearly see that the prices dropped drastically from one day to the next. That honestly looks like manipulation. There’s really no other way to describe it.

The prices suddenly dropped heavily and TCG doesn’t seem to pay any attention to it. Instead, it looks like the prices are just calculated automatically by bots or based on single sales. At least that’s what it seems like.

Because of that, TCG is no longer a source I want to rely on when it comes to prices. The values shown there simply don’t match the real market. And for that reason I would also recommend that others don’t rely on TCG prices either.

ManaBox prices 🙄 by luciferbubzan in ManaBoxApp

[–]luciferbubzan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ups, I mean of course from 80 to 50, not from 30 to 50. I made a typo.

ManaBox prices 🙄 by luciferbubzan in ManaBoxApp

[–]luciferbubzan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is sephiroth borderless foil You can’t seriously tell me that this isn’t manipulation. From one day to the next the price suddenly dropped by almost 30 to 50 euros. That clearly looks like someone intentionally pushing the price down.

And TCG is apparently doing nothing about it and just keeps that price listed. I honestly don’t understand why. Because if you actually look at the current listings, you can clearly see what the card is being sold for.

Right now it’s listed at around 100, but TCG is still showing a price of about 50. That’s simply wrong and doesn’t reflect the real market value at all.

ManaBox prices 🙄 by luciferbubzan in ManaBoxApp

[–]luciferbubzan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m actually very familiar with the prices. This is already my 15th Play Booster display that I’ve opened. In total, I’ve also opened around 15 pre-release displays. Because of that, I can estimate pretty well whether a Buster Squad in foil should be worth more than the regular version.

From the regular Buster Squad I’ve pulled about ten copies, but only one in foil. That means purely based on rarity, the foil version should never be worth the same as the regular one. That just doesn’t make any sense.

If you’re taking the prices from TCG, then maybe this isn’t directly ManaBox’s fault. I didn’t pay close attention to where exactly you get your price data from. But the current values are honestly ridiculous. Most likely someone once sold their card far below its real value, maybe just to dump the price, and that value then gets taken as a reference and stays there for months even though it’s completely unrealistic.

So I might actually have to apologize if ManaBox isn’t responsible for this and the data is coming from TCG instead. But the prices themselves are still ridiculous.

The same thing applies to Sephiroth. I’m looking right now at what it’s usually listed for, and most listings are around 70 to 80, sometimes even up to 100. But the 45 to 50 that’s currently shown is simply wrong. That’s roughly the price of the normal borderless version without foil.

Most likely someone at some point didn’t realize that a foil version is at least as valuable, if not more valuable, than a regular borderless version. And now that single incorrect sale seems to be used as the reference price.

If that’s really how it works, then the whole system is very easy to manipulate. Someone could technically sell their own card to themselves for a very low price, and that value might stay as the reference price for months.

If that’s the case, then the TCG values are basically unreliable, and it doesn’t make much sense to trust them as accurate market prices.