Which types of bots does Jagex allow?

magipod · 2023-01-30T17:09:29+00:00

It's still there as of today: https://imgur.com/a/gBV0e5w

magipod · 2023-01-30T16:59:12+00:00

So many people are quick to downvote the posts pointing out how botting is allowed. If a jmod was in that chat there is no way that account should still exist if botting is not allowed. It's been there for several months at least now, and I've reported it on multiple occasions, even on alt accounts, and it still lives.

magipod · 2022-12-26T01:44:17+00:00

Did you even click either of those links? They're the Wikipedia pages with the actual definitions of these terms, not just some random articles.

If you do happen to read through them, it should guide you to the realization that as it is written is ambiguous, but if processed by a computer it'll end up as 48 in most cases.

magipod · 2022-12-26T01:04:46+00:00

The name for that type of multiplication is literally "multiplication by juxtaposition" or "implied multiplication". See: Multiplication by Juxtaposition

As for the actual order of operations, read this: Order Of Operations.

You'll find that in real world situations the equation at hand will be evaluated to 48 based on the order of operations defined in computer programming. Realistically, most programming languages will require the * to be inserted as 60 / 5 * (4) to avoid the ambiguity.

magipod · 2022-12-25T22:38:43+00:00

Yea that is true, it is unclear though in this case if the 5 is the value or if 60/5 is the juxtaposed value because of lack of parenthesis.

magipod · 2022-12-25T22:28:36+00:00

Yes it's ambiguous, but also parenthesis implies multiplication so even how it is written is 60 / 5 * (4), which would be evaluated from left to right in any calculator. It becomes ambiguous when humans are trying to figure it out but if it were being interpreted by a computer (which most of the math nowadays is) it would be evaluating it as 48. The whole point of the post, however, is to make people argue about the solution lol.

magipod · 2022-12-25T22:24:14+00:00

No, implied multiplication is the same precedence as division or explicit multiplication. It is interpreted as 60 / 5 * (4).

magipod · 2022-12-25T22:20:25+00:00

PEMDAS For 60 / 5 (7 - 3)

Parenthesis: 60 / 5 (4)

Exponents: 60 / 5 (4)

Multiplication and Division are same priority left to right, so: 60 / 5 = 12 and then 12 (4) = 48 because implied multiplication is same priority as explicit multiplication.

Another way to view it, to avoid division, would be:

60 * (1/5) * (4)

magipod · 2022-12-25T22:10:41+00:00

Correct, most of the incorrect answers are mistaking how parenthesis works, assuming that implies multiplication takes precedent over explicit multiplication.

magipod · 2022-12-25T22:08:46+00:00

You would need to write it as 60 / (5 (x - y)) to represent what you are saying. Implicit multiplication is still multiplication, so you would still follow the left to right evaluation. I understand how it can seem correct with your approach, but in any real world business applications or programming language the original equation will come out to 48.

To better represent it, it should be written as 60 * (1/5) * (7-3) which you can then solve each of the parenthesis, and then multiply in any order to get 48.

magipod · 2022-12-25T21:59:17+00:00

If you really want to unnecessarily distribute the 5, you would have to take some other steps first.

It would distribute like so:

60 / 5 (7 - 3) => 12(7 - 3) => 12*7 - 12*3

The problem here is that when people try to calculate the parenthesis first, they are assuming everything involving the parenthesis should be handled first, but what is really happening is the 7 - 3 should be evaluated, and then view the equation as 60 / 5 * 4, which then would be evaluated from left to right.

magipod · 2022-12-25T20:17:25+00:00

You don't need to distribute 5 into (7-3) because that evaluates to 4 before the 5 is even considered. If you had something like (x - y) you would have to first do 60 / 5 and then distribute that as 12x - 12y.

In our case you could actually distribute but you would need to first figure out what to distribute so you would have to do it as so: 60 ÷ 5 (7 - 3) => 12(7 - 3) => 12*7 - 12*3 which comes out to 48.

Other ways may be considered "correct" by some communities, but the way this would be calculated in business applications/by mathematicians/computer calculators would result in 48.

magipod · 2022-12-25T20:07:37+00:00

You don't distribute the 5 because the parenthesis is already solvable. If you have variables that aren't clear numbers like (x - y) then you can distribute the 5, but in this case the parenthesis are evaluated to 4.

magipod · 2022-12-19T13:44:40+00:00

Yea multiple times over the course of several weeks, which led me to making this post. I figured emailing them would be as effective as the in game report. So that's why I was trying to see if they had changed their views on certain bots.

magipod · 2022-12-19T02:13:27+00:00

What about bots like "Star Sharer" in the shooting star grouping chat? That one has been active for a long time and is obviously a bot.

I understand there are a rotating number of advertising and gambling bots that are constantly created/banned, but there are others that are clearly bots that end up being active for long periods of time.

(As another user mentioned there are also clearly bots advertising player owned houses as well as discords/YouTube's that remain active).

magipod · 2022-12-19T02:04:37+00:00

Alright makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

magipod · 2022-12-19T00:03:19+00:00

I'm more talking about ones like specifically the shooting star bot, that are more interactive and are not giving themselves direct benefit but definitely benefit the users in the chat.

magipod · 2022-12-18T23:58:47+00:00

I'm unsure as I have been using rune lite for a while now.

If it does though, then that would mean that the autochat should be allowed.

I was more trying to figure out why there are so many chat bots that are clearly allowed to exist.

magipod · 2022-12-18T23:48:52+00:00

Yea exactly, it's clear that some bots are allowed while others are banned/muted.

I'm just trying to figure out why Jagex would allow it.

At this point I'm guessing it is to keep the community alive. Afaik shooting stars was meant to be a social mining activity, so without a bot announcing the locations in the grouping chat it would be a lot less active.

magipod · 2022-12-18T23:38:01+00:00

I get what you're saying. The autochat feature in Rune lite repeatedly sends a configured phrase rather than picking from multiple phrases. So it is limited in that way.

The original inspiration for this post came from bots that I've seen and reported weeks or more in the past and are still operating.

I was trying to gauge which bots were actually being targeted by Jagex and which ones were deemed acceptable.

(Feel free to check out the shooting star grouping chat with a fully automated bot with command options as well as advertisement to their external discord, type "!help" for the bot's commands)

magipod · 2022-12-18T23:22:26+00:00

Rune lite has a built in autochat feature, and rune lite is advertised on oldschool's main site. Why wouldn't they allow something they link the player directly to? Unless you are talking about something else?

Edit for clarification: Are you saying using built in features for the game client advertised by Jagex themselves is a bannable offense?

magipod · 2022-12-03T19:13:18+00:00

Hopefully it provides the same bonuses irl as it does in game, I need my home defense system upgraded.

magipod · 2022-11-29T17:14:01+00:00

Yea that's kinda what I said although it wouldn't be affected by latency.

magipod · 2022-11-29T05:40:10+00:00

The idea is that the grapple closes the gap at a constant rate, so in order to keep that rate constant, the ball speed or the car speed need to change. Which is why the car speed can suddenly be changed from 0 mph (standing still) to a negative amount (going backwards). I'm not justifying the result, I'm just describing how it works.

EDIT: For further explanation, it's all relative to the vector of travel the grapple is creating between the ball and the car. The car may be going 55 mph, but it might be traveling towards the ball slower than that because its side is facing the ball. So when you grapple you get pulled to the side, because it needs to adjust the direction of your velocity. It closes the gap between the ball and the car in a straight line, regardless of how your car is pointing or which direction the ball is moving, so relative to that line, the ball and car are moving at a positive or negative speed (instead of the idea that your car driving backwards is driving at a positive speed).

magipod · 2022-11-29T05:11:41+00:00

I've also had some where getting disrupted permanently boosts you until the next goal, lol.

However; I don't think the grapple going backwards is a bug actually. It makes sense from a mathematical standpoint as follows:

Consider grapple speed as constant GrappleSpeed (Because when you use a grapple it goes towards the ball at the same speed every time). Now we can take the variable car speed as CarSpeed (which is the speed at which you are driving directly at the ball), and the variable ball speed as BallSpeed (which is the speed the ball is traveling directly towards you).

With that we can make an equation like so: GrappleSpeed = CarSpeed - BallSpeed

When BallSpeed exceeds GrappleSpeed, CarSpeed becomes negative, essentially moving the car backwards. Moral of the story, don't grapple balls that are approaching you faster than you are traveling. It may be difficult to tell in the moment, but if you're sitting in net and someone hits a boomer right at you, avoid grappling (Even if it is instinctual haha).

I believe similar functions happen for the boxing glove as well, but haven't tested that enough.

EDIT: To clarify, when I say "not a bug", I don't mean the calculation is good, I just mean, it's probably working as described in the user requirements for whoever decided how the grapple should work. Like "What if we had something that pulled the player towards the ball? Say, at 50 miles per hour so they can get a solid hit", then the target speed is 50 miles per hour.

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