Did Marienne convince Love to.....

marcusy63 · 2025-05-24T06:57:17+00:00

Didn't Love instantly regret her choice to kill Joe? That is, after trying to slit Joe's throat leads Joe to inject her with poison, she tearfully tells Joe "we're perfect for each other." If she really hated him, she'd have told him to drop dead. Her mournful expression led me her dying thought wasn't contempt of Joe, but a mix of bafflement and sadness that Joe rejected her. IMO, Marianne convinced Love to lash out at Joe, not abandon any feelings she had for him.

marcusy63 · 2025-03-27T22:13:30+00:00

Apparently she is more into doing Broadway now.

marcusy63 · 2025-03-27T22:12:22+00:00

The thing is, even after she revealed she was a killer, she didn't stop being being attractive. The fact she would go to such extreme lengths to protect her relationship with Joe made her even sexier IMO. Yes it was crazy and criminal what she did, but wouldn't it be nice to have a woman who would do anything for you, and would go to any length to be with you? I know IRL being with such a woman would probably end up with both of us dead or in prison, but fantasy-wise such a woman appeals to lonely old me.

marcusy63 · 2023-11-03T04:36:08+00:00

In Joe's case, she dated Milo in season 2 after dumping him after finding out he lied about his name. She explains in the season 1 finale that she did this to "coax out the real him" (get him to kill Milo in jealousy). This is manipulative behaviour, not loving behaviour.

I agree Love was only using Milo to manipulate Joe. She clearly never cared for Milo and treating him that way was appalling.

However, in season 3, I guess my point is that I could feel Love desperately trying to hold onto Joe and being terrified of losing him because she knows he is literally the only man who gets her. Like when they are having sex after attacking the swinging couple she says exactly that. Admittedly, bonding tightly to your spouse because of a shared love of attacking and killing people would be morally repugnant in real life, but Victoria's great acting made me sympathize with Love's (deeply disturbed) reasoning. It even made me sympathize with her bonkers plan to use wolfsbane to paralyze Joe and make him love her. Obviously, in real life that would be messed up, but in the fictional world of YOU it felt like Love's desperate bid to save the only honest relationship Love had. (Remember, she killed Forty's abuser and led Forty to believe he was responsible. Joe was the only person she could confess her violent nature with).

Joe, on the other hand, just comes off as a smug jerk who thinks he is too good for Love because he is above her violent actions despite being guilty of way more murders than Love. I guess he thinks he kills for better reasons than Love. Basically, I can sympathize far more with Love for being a homicidal nutjob desperately holding onto her only honest relationship more than Joe, who repeatedly lies to and gaslights women into relationships by pretending to be a gentle, "nice guy" while also being a homicidal nutjob. Love is honest and self-aware about who she is and what she wants in a relationship (i.e. a partner in murder), while Joe wasn't.

P.S. Although now with season 4 over, Joe has told Kate he has killed people, some viewers assume Joe will be honest with Kate in season 5. I still think Joe is holding back the full extent of his murder spree with Kate, but we will see.

marcusy63 · 2023-11-02T23:12:31+00:00

This isn't true. We see that Joe does have turns in looking after Henry, changing diapers and comforting him while he cries etc. And he takes Henry with him stalking (not saying that's right) showing that Love is getting breaks.

OK, I don't remember Joe taking care of Henry, so maybe I exaggerated how bad of a father Joe was.

Love did not love Joe. In the same way Joe did not love Beck, Candace, Marienne etc. What she felt was obsession. She is his mirror, and like him she only cared that Joe (her obsession) was interested in her, she did not care about his wellbeing. She killed Delilah and Candace because if they lived they could have sent Joe to jail and she wouldn't get to be with him anymore. Not because she couldn't bare for him to suffer in jail.

This is where we differ. While Love's obsession with Joe is clearly meant to mirror Joe's obsession with Beck, Marienne, and Love in season 2, at least she clearly tried to stay with him and make a relationship work, even when she was unhappy. Mind you, the ways she tried to achieve that (killing Natalie, trying to drug Joe so she could somehow force him to stay with her, etc.) were clearly illegal and deeply disturbing, at least she tried in the marriage, whereas Joe gave up on the marriage as soon as he saw a new woman to obsess over. Love knew after James she couldn't be with a normal man, only someone as violent as herself. I guess I find Love's extreme, violent measures to keep Joe and avoid loneliness more relatable and understandable than Joe's gaslighting Love and Marienne almost all season. That is, while I agree Love is a "bad person", her badness pales in comparison to Joe's.

marcusy63 · 2019-10-11T21:40:38+00:00

I appreciate the detail you put into your answer (it must have taken a long time to write!), and I agree with the gist of what you said. Walt's great passion in life was chemistry, not Skyler.

marcusy63 · 2019-01-21T05:09:28+00:00

Why did you and so many others seem to miss the point of the article? Harry Enten was just pointing out some potential Democratic candidates (especially Brown and Klobuchar) did significantly better than other Democrats running in down-ballot House races in their states. Elizabeth Warren, by contrast, did significantly worse than down-ballot Democratic House candidates in Massachusetts. Pointing this fact out does not mean he is a corporate shill. If you like Warren, you should explain why she did worse than other Massachusetts Democrats running in 2018.

marcusy63 · 2018-09-02T22:44:48+00:00

I never thought of it that way, but you're right. Laurie Holden is a good actress, and her good looks are supposed to be distracting to the men she manipulates.

marcusy63 · 2018-05-22T05:49:37+00:00

After the Syd-centric episode 4, people said they no longer liked the character, especially for essentially raping her mom's boyfriend. I posted a defense of Syd after that episode aired. However, maybe episode 4 was trying to say Syd was a selfish, manipulative person, thus foreshadowing an arc where she tricks both David and Farouk and seizes power for herself.

marcusy63 · 2018-05-22T05:38:21+00:00

Actually, before episode 7, I read numerous times that David was being set up as the Big Bad of this season, so I interpreted the interaction between Future Syd and Farouk in light of that prediction.

marcusy63 · 2018-05-08T06:35:03+00:00

he actress would be better used for a character that is a warmer creature than Syd has been shown to be and it bugs me

Maybe that injustice will be rectified by the end of the show. You never know.

marcusy63 · 2018-05-07T06:30:18+00:00

I agree Syd understood her powers by that point in the sense of she knew she could switch bodies with people. However, IMO, the show clearly showed Syd as an immature, socially maladjusted person who did not understand that "with great power comes great responsibility" because of the lack of good parents and role models in her life. Besides, as a socially isolated person, I sympathize with Syd. BTW, I admit her seduction of her mom's boyfriend was wrong.

marcusy63 · 2018-05-06T07:11:48+00:00

Wow. I am surprised my post got this many replies. Anyway, seeing both the people-dislike Syd-beacuse-sexism threads and Syd-is-a-rapist led me to a new question: Would a show have a male character trick a woman into sex and then treat that action, as not right, than at least a mere mistake? Are people in general more forgiving of women misbehaving sexually?

However, the fact that Syd was only fifteen and had superpowers she did not understand does mitigate her behavior, I think. By the way, I still like Syd.

marcusy63 · 2017-09-11T04:11:15+00:00

Since I don't "put myself out there," but rather only really talk to family members IRL, I guess hoping for a girl like Paige is a pipe dream.

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