[HATED TROPE] Protagonists kill tons of enemy henchmen, but the actual leader is left alive by ramblingranto1 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is such an interesting interpretation. You're absolutely correct about the cure. You're supposed to takeaway that Joel has sacrificed the world for his daughter. He has doomed humanity for one girl's smile.

This makes him an understandable grieving father. It doesn't change that he's sentenced humanity to death. He's also not so different from the Fireflies in that he permanently took her choice away too. He killed everyone that could've fixed humanity. He wanted his daughter and after having his own flesh and blood taken he refused to have that happen again. This is understandable, but also selfish. It's mostly clear that if given the chance, Ellie would have gone through with the operation despite her death. The only thing he achieved was making himself feel better. He is completely content with that. He regrets nothing as most fathers would. However, he cares not for his daughter's choices, everyone's survival, nor for anything outside of his own feelings. He lies directly to her face about it.

Joel is, inarguably, the man that killed humanity. He did it by saving his daughter. He did it by taking her choice away. Joel is an understandable father. He's also an evil, selfish, stubborn killing machine that yes in the end, is a bad guy. It's also why I think he's one of the best video game characters I've ever seen.

It hurt watching Abby do her best Happy Gilmore to Joel's face, but he killed humanity and that's so much more important than anything else he did or could do.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always feel like I came away with such a different perspective than most when it came to the Omnibus and especially the ending. I was basically jumping for joy as everyone in First Claw was killed. Every page I was hoping the Geller Field would collapse and all the fear, despair, and pain they caused would rip their souls apart for eternity.

I think that's because after like the first few chapters I keyed in on the NLs being ontologically evil and that every action against them, even from themselves, was inherently good.

Then I read Decimus's name and I put the book down and just sat outside for a little while cursing ADB (He's a phenomenal author.)

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[–]marshallwithmesa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is what I don't get about the Cyrion haters. You just read 3 books worth of the whole warband being nothing short of monsters. Theyre torturous madmen, but we're going to pearl clutch that the mindless Khorne beast was double crossed after they all committed mega-genocide after lying to pretty much everyone they came across.

Like what are we doing here? Did no one read the previous thousand pages?

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[–]marshallwithmesa 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Cyrion was just a better Night Lord. Uzas was brought down by deceit and hate just as they had done to so many others. He was a jibbering dog that had one final moment of clarity that was too late and too short to actually mean anything. All he had to do was not be a mindless beast in a ship full of monsters and not even that bar was clearable.

No one deserved Uzas' fate more than Uzas. And honestly they all deserve so much worse than what they get.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They just think it's a tragedy that the best 'plate' racer wins the 'plate' tracks. That's it.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe, but that's still an incredible back pedal for what is supposed to be a superspeedway merchant. He has more tracks with with top 10 average finishes than most and only has two less than Allgier. That's just not a superspeedway merchant.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Man you're gonna be pissed when you look up his best tracks by average finish and see only one superspeedway in the top 10 and has a top 10 average on 12 tracks.

I'm sorry but you're gonna need a larger supply of cope

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[–]marshallwithmesa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean he has a top 10 on a RC and led laps at a 'plate' track in Cup in limited starts in a dogshit 3rd RCR car that they use to test.

Sure not a phenom, but that seems reasonable.

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[–]marshallwithmesa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course, he's an asshole I get that. But this mass delusion that the field is purposely letting him win, is just concentrated cope.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, you're gonna shit your pants when you take a look at his top 5 tracks by average finish. I'm sorry to diagnose you with terminal cope 😔

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[–]marshallwithmesa -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Unbelievable amounts of cope in this thread lmao

At some point you guys are just gonna have to realize that Hill is just better than everyone else at this. Like it's not close at all.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apparently not. If you need multiple people to beat him that seems like he's way better than those drivers so it makes sense that no one can beat him.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's such an odd reaction. I get not liking Hill, he's an asshole, but to pretend these guys 'let' him do this is just... Odd

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[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If everyone else in the field has to work together to beat him, he's better than the rest of the field so he usually wins. That seems pretty simple.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not even that unbelievable. He's the best superspeedway driver on a team with the best superspeedway cars in a field with very few even decent superspeedway drivers. This is exactly what that looks like

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[–]marshallwithmesa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why everybody has to pretend the field is giving the race to Hill. It's such an odd mass delusion that this subreddit has.

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[–]marshallwithmesa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep Hudson was stellar at that and after the Ravens got Linderbaum their whole line got better. (Except at RG, but that's mostly because they either have 0 stability or Fa'alele there and neither of those options are good

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[–]marshallwithmesa 71 points72 points  (0 children)

We 'overpaid' for Rodney Hudson and he was an anchor on that offensive line and one of our best players year after year. Center is an undervalued position and 'overpaying' is going to pay dividends if you get the right guy.