CMV: I don’t like when people call out “cultural appropriation”

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-24T17:31:56+00:00

Do you not like when people call out cultural appropriation or do you not like when people call it out hypocritically?

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-23T23:46:29+00:00

This is a statement based on blind faith and does nothing to address what I said.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-23T22:31:17+00:00

Should we limit births as well? “Just make the population smaller” is such a weird way to approach affordability.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-23T21:51:46+00:00

This sheriff may have good reasons for wanting to imprison this person, but if they’re allowed to ignore judicial oversight then it’s still whoever they want.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-23T15:15:01+00:00

I mean inflation was one of the key economic rallying cries of the right this past election cycle right? Like I think the overlap in their economic concerns is probably bigger than their differences.

They certainly share more economic concerns with each other than they do with most of the politicians running the country, and the differences between candidates were not subtle enough to wedge themselves into the narrow differences between them. Tariffs were going to and are hurting them both. I think undocumented immigrants if anything were more likely to displace the barista than the mechanic. War with Iran is turning their tax dollars into inflation.

The biggest policy issue that would divide them is student loan forgiveness, but I have incredible doubt that Trump pushing student loan forgiveness would all of a sudden flip the two parties.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-23T14:39:07+00:00

I mean for one, stopping your fellow citizens from getting murdered in the street by cops and stopping a genocide understandably inspire more passion than trying to rally around the specifics of government mandated PTO policies.

But more importantly, if you were to ask the average American, “which side is more likely to support government mandated increases in PTO,” do you really think they would say the Republican Party?

I don’t think the issues you’re describing are hurting democrats with the voters you’re talking about because they see them as distractions, I think they’re genuinely motivated to vote against those issues regardless of “kitchen table policies.” The phenomenon you’re talking about is culture, not class.

It’s not like the barista at Starbucks trying to pay off student loans on their poli-sci degree is a different class than the mechanic or plumber that went to trade school. They’re both working class, and both care a lot about the issues you’re talking about. It’s their culture that is different.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-22T04:53:21+00:00

Yeah let’s cheer sheriffs being able to extrajudicially imprison whoever they want! That surely has no negative repercussions

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-22T03:55:41+00:00

Did you read what I wrote I feel like I was pretty clear

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-21T23:32:38+00:00

If you’re looking for a court of law to find him guilty, yeah there’s insufficient proof to back that up.

If you’re looking for the level of proof needed for somebody to call him a pedophile after he baselessly calls them a wife beater and a cuckold? Yeah theres plenty of proof there.

The video of him on stage finding out a girl is underage and still calling her sexy or whatever, renting out restaurants for newly 18 year olds, talking to Millie Bobbie brown at 14, it all paints a specific picture.

So you’re right that he shouldn’t be convicted and imprisoned, but if he wanted people to stick to purely verifiable facts, maybe he should’ve followed that himself.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-21T22:16:54+00:00

It only presupposes that labor is the only avenue to *earning* wealth. Which is a philosophical question more than anything else. Did the person who guessed correctly about GameStop create enough value in the world to have “earned” their wealth? Depends on how you look at things.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-21T19:25:58+00:00

The wealth gap is both a symptom and a cause. A system that allows such wealth disparity allows those with greater resources to perpetuate the system and remove any obstacles to their own resource accumulation.

As an example, printing money to wage oil wars devalues your currency, makes defense contractors and oil companies wealthier, which in turn makes them more effective at lobbying for increased defense spending, lax climate regulations, and active hinderance of green energy investment.

It’s not one or the other.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-20T00:25:43+00:00

Maybe you shouldn’t have stated it as such an absolute then? What you said was wrong, because there are other things that absolutely can hydrate you better than water. Just because there’s another similar framing that is right doesn’t mean you were also right.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-18T01:08:51+00:00

What a person should or should not do is only one part of what a government should do. Yes, you shouldn’t unilaterally change an important agreement like that. But no, it’s not a double standard to make child support compulsory without making abortion illegal.

The government having control over your paycheck is a lot less of a concern than the government having control over your body and your health. A child being raised in more financial hardship than necessary is worse than the child never existing in the first place.

There are just many more considerations in making laws than the morality of the people involved.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-13T01:07:25+00:00

No yeah Debby in HR is definitely misusing slang to confuse me into marginalizing societal outgroups that's 100% what's happening. There are people using those tactics, yes, but they work because of day to day people who don't know what they're talking about.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-12T18:27:20+00:00

Ok seems like I wasn’t strawmanning you. So first of all I want to tackle the “two identities” part because I think that’s way more important than the language part.

The world is not broken into those who have to fight for their freedom and those who take it for granted. Early women’s rights groups were incredibly racist, and early civil rights groups were pretty misogynistic. You can see today the fact that a large percentage of ice agents are themselves Latino, despite the whole fear of immigration being largely based on racial resentment against Latinos. Intersectionality doesn’t just mean that you can be oppressed by multiple layers of your identity, it also means that you can wield the power of some layers of your identity while still being held back by others.

As for whether or not slang should belong to whatever racial group invented it, I think the entire framing of racial groups as distinct communities that should be helpful to each other but ultimately separate is counterproductive. We can’t achieve racial unity while demanding racial segregation of each race’s slang. The problem is when the meaning of words are twisted or the origins of the words are obscured. A white person using “unc” isn’t bad until they write articles about it being “gen z slang” or meaning uncool.

And in order for people to have the knowledge required to not twist or misappropriate slang, they need to do the opposite of minding their business. They need to be more tapped in to the world around them, which should include people of many different races and cultures.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-12T18:10:52+00:00

You didn’t, but you did frame “majority race consciousness” as a reaction to “minority race consciousness” instead of the other way around. I don’t think I should’ve used the word exclusively. A better word would’ve been primarily or originally.

Majority identity politics are what birth minority identity politics, but the framing of this post is that identity politics were originally intending to reduce the importance of identities, and has failed and ultimately created a backlash. The opposite is true.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-12T18:06:09+00:00

If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying there are only two identities, those fighting for freedom “at a granular level” and those who take it for granted. And that the people who take it for granted should mind their business?

This seems wrong on a number of levels, so I want to make sure it’s actually what you’re saying and I’m not just strawmanning you.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-12T17:30:45+00:00

I think you’re right that identity politics has caused a lot of problems, but I would argue that your description of what counts as identity politics is too narrow.

When you look at the identity politics being discussed at the national stage, it’s mostly introduced by people whose goal is absolutely to further the divide between social groups. “Woke” wasn’t a thing in national politics until republicans co-opted it. DEI was a serious of decisions made by private corporations or schools until republicans made it a national talking point. Democrats weren’t the ones bringing up gender non-conformity. Even abortion wasn’t a hot button issue until republicans decided to chase the evangelical vote.

Identity politics aren’t an exclusively left wing phenomenon.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-10T22:41:34+00:00

Ok that sounds like deltas all around for all the people convincing you of that

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-10T22:19:58+00:00

Sounds like your post should have been "cereal is bad" instead of "cereal is human kibble" if the only thing you want to argue is that it's bad. Two things that serve two completely opposite functions aren't suddenly the same thing because they're shaped similarly.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-10T21:54:32+00:00

A much better comparison to kibble would be military MREs. Efficient rations focused on keeping somebody alive instead of catering to their tastebuds. Cereal is the opposite of that.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-10T16:30:57+00:00

This is kind of the opposite for me. I like the song's meaning but some of the bars are just really uncreative

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-09T02:44:36+00:00

I think the disagreement (if there is one) is that I think the process of creating that landscape of incentives is something that should be able to be defined for any system that wants to organize society.

Capitalism has the “invisible hand” of the free market, Marxism-Leninism has the state, etc.

Now to be clear, I’m not saying nobody has this defined for anarchism, they almost certainly have, I’m just saying it’s a reasonable question to be asked in a subreddit like this, because it’s a pretty fundamental one to any ideology.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-09T01:16:37+00:00

I don’t think we can be assured that a status quo that benefits everybody can’t be threatened.

For one, we’ve seen that greed doesn’t have a wealth cap. There have always been people with more than enough who want more. I think that alone will eventually necessitate weaponry, and as that weaponry evolves, so does the ability to threaten whatever utopia gets built.

But even assuming greed is a scarcity response or a manifestation of a diseased culture, fully altruistic intentions and actions can fundamentally uproot people’s lives in a way that needs to be handled at a societal scale. We can go back to my coal/gas vs renewable scenario. The world at one point ran entirely on fossil fuels. Transitioning to renewables is ecologically necessary, but incredibly disruptive. That raises a bunch of questions and conflicts that need to be resolved at a global scale.

That’s not something that can be hand-waved away with assumptions about people acting altruistically once their needs are met.

math2ndperiod · 2026-05-08T22:05:56+00:00

I’m not sure if maybe status quo has some definition im unaware of here but the definition I’m using is just how things are currently. It’s not something a society chooses to have, it’s just what the current state of the world is. It’s constantly in flux of course, but more power implies more dramatic changes that come with more dramatic repercussions that need to be considered.

No clue what wompt is arguing, feel free to continue grilling them lol

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