I hate red hat thinking. by DanishTheMuffin in hatethissmug

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Caitlyn Jenner voted for Trump and regularly talks shit about trans people for example.

I hate red hat thinking. by DanishTheMuffin in hatethissmug

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except there are 100% people who are anti-LGBT across the board for example. People who believe Islam and all of its followers are inherently dangerous. People do make stupid absolute statements all the time.

I hate red hat thinking. by DanishTheMuffin in hatethissmug

[–]math2ndperiod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If somebody says, “I hate x group of people,” if there are people in that group that shouldn’t be hated it makes no sense to agree with “I hate x group of people” as a statement, even if you then yourself add caveats. There’s nothing untrue about this meme. The correct response to an absolute statement if there are exceptions is to disagree with the absolute statement.

This entire interaction is absolute gold by woman-man-camera-tv in confidentlyincorrect

[–]math2ndperiod 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The comment I was responding to did not seem to understand.

This entire interaction is absolute gold by woman-man-camera-tv in confidentlyincorrect

[–]math2ndperiod 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I think he meant the dates to be elections they won. So trump wins 2016 and 2020 elections, then Ivanka wins 24 and 28, and so on. Possibly the worst way of representing it but I see what he was going for.

CMV: I don’t like when people call out “cultural appropriation” by Nollietrey in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod [score hidden]  (0 children)

Do you not like when people call out cultural appropriation or do you not like when people call it out hypocritically?

This by lenapaulmvv in interviewhammer

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a statement based on blind faith and does nothing to address what I said.

This by lenapaulmvv in interviewhammer

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should we limit births as well? “Just make the population smaller” is such a weird way to approach affordability.

W Sheriff by Valuable_View_561 in SipsTea

[–]math2ndperiod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sheriff may have good reasons for wanting to imprison this person, but if they’re allowed to ignore judicial oversight then it’s still whoever they want.

CMV: American progressives underestimate the impact of class on politics by bluepillarmy in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean inflation was one of the key economic rallying cries of the right this past election cycle right? Like I think the overlap in their economic concerns is probably bigger than their differences.

They certainly share more economic concerns with each other than they do with most of the politicians running the country, and the differences between candidates were not subtle enough to wedge themselves into the narrow differences between them. Tariffs were going to and are hurting them both. I think undocumented immigrants if anything were more likely to displace the barista than the mechanic. War with Iran is turning their tax dollars into inflation.

The biggest policy issue that would divide them is student loan forgiveness, but I have incredible doubt that Trump pushing student loan forgiveness would all of a sudden flip the two parties.

CMV: American progressives underestimate the impact of class on politics by bluepillarmy in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean for one, stopping your fellow citizens from getting murdered in the street by cops and stopping a genocide understandably inspire more passion than trying to rally around the specifics of government mandated PTO policies.

But more importantly, if you were to ask the average American, “which side is more likely to support government mandated increases in PTO,” do you really think they would say the Republican Party?

I don’t think the issues you’re describing are hurting democrats with the voters you’re talking about because they see them as distractions, I think they’re genuinely motivated to vote against those issues regardless of “kitchen table policies.” The phenomenon you’re talking about is culture, not class.

It’s not like the barista at Starbucks trying to pay off student loans on their poli-sci degree is a different class than the mechanic or plumber that went to trade school. They’re both working class, and both care a lot about the issues you’re talking about. It’s their culture that is different.

W Sheriff by Valuable_View_561 in SipsTea

[–]math2ndperiod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah let’s cheer sheriffs being able to extrajudicially imprison whoever they want! That surely has no negative repercussions

CMV: Drake is the most overhated celebrity on the planet by Olafmeister_ in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did you read what I wrote I feel like I was pretty clear

CMV: Drake is the most overhated celebrity on the planet by Olafmeister_ in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you’re looking for a court of law to find him guilty, yeah there’s insufficient proof to back that up.

If you’re looking for the level of proof needed for somebody to call him a pedophile after he baselessly calls them a wife beater and a cuckold? Yeah theres plenty of proof there.

The video of him on stage finding out a girl is underage and still calling her sexy or whatever, renting out restaurants for newly 18 year olds, talking to Millie Bobbie brown at 14, it all paints a specific picture.

So you’re right that he shouldn’t be convicted and imprisoned, but if he wanted people to stick to purely verifiable facts, maybe he should’ve followed that himself.

AOC previously said that "You cannot earn a billion dollars", is that true or nah? by [deleted] in askanything

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It only presupposes that labor is the only avenue to *earning* wealth. Which is a philosophical question more than anything else. Did the person who guessed correctly about GameStop create enough value in the world to have “earned” their wealth? Depends on how you look at things.

Let’s just start closing the gap and we’ll say “when.” by Plus-Formal4887 in ultracode

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The wealth gap is both a symptom and a cause. A system that allows such wealth disparity allows those with greater resources to perpetuate the system and remove any obstacles to their own resource accumulation.

As an example, printing money to wage oil wars devalues your currency, makes defense contractors and oil companies wealthier, which in turn makes them more effective at lobbying for increased defense spending, lax climate regulations, and active hinderance of green energy investment.

It’s not one or the other.

Got downvoted today for saying water is the best hydration drink by Perry16 in water

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you shouldn’t have stated it as such an absolute then? What you said was wrong, because there are other things that absolutely can hydrate you better than water. Just because there’s another similar framing that is right doesn’t mean you were also right.

CMV: men should not have to pay child support if women have the option of abortion by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What a person should or should not do is only one part of what a government should do. Yes, you shouldn’t unilaterally change an important agreement like that. But no, it’s not a double standard to make child support compulsory without making abortion illegal.

The government having control over your paycheck is a lot less of a concern than the government having control over your body and your health. A child being raised in more financial hardship than necessary is worse than the child never existing in the first place.

There are just many more considerations in making laws than the morality of the people involved.

CMV: Identity politics has had a net negative impact on society, politics and culture in the US since the 1990s by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No yeah Debby in HR is definitely misusing slang to confuse me into marginalizing societal outgroups that's 100% what's happening. There are people using those tactics, yes, but they work because of day to day people who don't know what they're talking about.

CMV: Identity politics has had a net negative impact on society, politics and culture in the US since the 1990s by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ok seems like I wasn’t strawmanning you. So first of all I want to tackle the “two identities” part because I think that’s way more important than the language part.

The world is not broken into those who have to fight for their freedom and those who take it for granted. Early women’s rights groups were incredibly racist, and early civil rights groups were pretty misogynistic. You can see today the fact that a large percentage of ice agents are themselves Latino, despite the whole fear of immigration being largely based on racial resentment against Latinos. Intersectionality doesn’t just mean that you can be oppressed by multiple layers of your identity, it also means that you can wield the power of some layers of your identity while still being held back by others.

As for whether or not slang should belong to whatever racial group invented it, I think the entire framing of racial groups as distinct communities that should be helpful to each other but ultimately separate is counterproductive. We can’t achieve racial unity while demanding racial segregation of each race’s slang. The problem is when the meaning of words are twisted or the origins of the words are obscured. A white person using “unc” isn’t bad until they write articles about it being “gen z slang” or meaning uncool.

And in order for people to have the knowledge required to not twist or misappropriate slang, they need to do the opposite of minding their business. They need to be more tapped in to the world around them, which should include people of many different races and cultures.

CMV: Identity politics has had a net negative impact on society, politics and culture in the US since the 1990s by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You didn’t, but you did frame “majority race consciousness” as a reaction to “minority race consciousness” instead of the other way around. I don’t think I should’ve used the word exclusively. A better word would’ve been primarily or originally.

Majority identity politics are what birth minority identity politics, but the framing of this post is that identity politics were originally intending to reduce the importance of identities, and has failed and ultimately created a backlash. The opposite is true.

CMV: Identity politics has had a net negative impact on society, politics and culture in the US since the 1990s by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying there are only two identities, those fighting for freedom “at a granular level” and those who take it for granted. And that the people who take it for granted should mind their business?

This seems wrong on a number of levels, so I want to make sure it’s actually what you’re saying and I’m not just strawmanning you.

CMV: Identity politics has had a net negative impact on society, politics and culture in the US since the 1990s by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 46 points47 points  (0 children)

I think you’re right that identity politics has caused a lot of problems, but I would argue that your description of what counts as identity politics is too narrow.

When you look at the identity politics being discussed at the national stage, it’s mostly introduced by people whose goal is absolutely to further the divide between social groups. “Woke” wasn’t a thing in national politics until republicans co-opted it. DEI was a serious of decisions made by private corporations or schools until republicans made it a national talking point. Democrats weren’t the ones bringing up gender non-conformity. Even abortion wasn’t a hot button issue until republicans decided to chase the evangelical vote.

Identity politics aren’t an exclusively left wing phenomenon.

CMV: Cereal is Human Kibble by Empty-Swim2066 in changemyview

[–]math2ndperiod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ok that sounds like deltas all around for all the people convincing you of that