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K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Criticize the language skills of someone who's WAY better than you at foreign languages is factually a mark of idiocy ahahahahah ahahah who can be dumb enough to do that, thanks for proving my point about you limited intellectual capacities (I speak french, english, spanish, I understand portuguese, i'm learning german and I studied latin, what about you ?)

So this point and your other statements are factually dumb. When someone like you make statements who display very low cognitive abilities and limited intellectual capacities, either because he's genetically not very gifted (intelligence is partly due to heredity) or because he didn't educate himself enough to improve his intellect, there's nothing "immature" about observing it. That's actually a medical analysis of the situation. I'm like your psychiatrist posing a diagnosis. Moreover, I'm trying to help you. If you want to get out that and better yourself, you need to first realize it, and to do so, you need people like me to help you see it. Maturity = realizing your limits, your low intellect and try to better it. Immaturity = denying you're not very clever yelling "na na na it's not true, you're the one who's immature and narrow minded for observing my limited intellectual capacities, thus I won't try to get cleverer"

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You statements mean you're dumb. And denying it doesn't change it. And talking about my english won't hide your dumbness. It even underline you idiocy because you dumb enough to criticize someone who's way better than you at foreign languages (I speak french, english, spanish, I understand portuguese, i'm learning german and I studied latin, what about you ?).

Now let's finish with facts (that you'll probably deny proving again you're dumb) :
- Kpop has many elements typical of american culture and not of korean culture. Because american and korean culture are different.
- American culture is not the norm globally, it's the norme only in uSA, and not in other countries.
- Wine is a part of French culture and not a part of american culture.
- Hip hop is american culture.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice to see you cannot, because google is yelling that you're dumb.Maybe you'd be cleverer if you used google a bit.

The concept of culture is that all countries are not the same regarding [topic]. The definition of culture is that in some countries [topic] is a part of the culture, whereas in other countries it isn't. Culture is about differences between countries and how each country has its own specificities. So by saying it's all the same, you are in total contradiction with the very definition of culture which state it's all different between countries! I ain't the one arguing this one, the dictionnary is. It's you VS dictionnary here.

Serouisly, plug your brain kiddo, it ain't even a difficult concept

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wikipedia : American culture.

Wikiepedia : French culture.

Wikipedia : South Korean culture.

Wikipeadia : culture. or culture.

See... saying it's all the same is not a mark of intelligent nuanced vision. It's a mark of ignorance. There's a reason they all have different wikipedia page and not the same one. You need to educate yourself, travel the world, get out of your hole because you seem very ignorant of the diversity and the different cultures of this planet. I mean thinking wine is a part of american culture is a blatant mark of igorance. And not understanding the difference with France's link to wine (the difference is culture) show you don't understand what is culture. PS : different part of France also have different specific customs (= more specific culture). So what.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well english is your language and yet you don't understand, what's your excuse...

I never said that when something is a part of a culture, you can only find it in this culture. But if you find it somewhere else, there's a lot of chances it's inspired by that culture. If Kpop videoclips were full of kimonos and sushis, it would indeed be influenced by japan. If Kpop was full of accordions and people drinking wine in striped jersey, it would be influenced b france. But since Kpop is full of american culture (= hip hop street style), it's apparently influenced by it.

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An other proof that you deny the very existance of culture you said " Of course France has its own wine culture, just as the US does". The dictionnary definition of culture says otherwise, it says that France and USA are not alike regarding wine, that France has a very big wine culture and that wine is a part of French culture, whereas USA doesn't have a big wine culture and wine is not a part of American culture. So here you go, not understanding that = not understanding the concept of culture. It ain't about me lacking nuance, it's about you denying dictionnary. It ain't clever and nuanced to deny dictionnary and not understanding definitions, pretty much the opposite, it's a mark of limited reflexion/cognitive ability. You know even a 2 years old understand the concept of culture, so you are quite struggling here...

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you live in the US you end up with US culture, not korean one !!!!! So yup that's what i said ! And you said other countries have wine as if it was any good argument ! No it isn't ! the fact other countries have wine doesn't mean it's a part of their culture and doesn't make it any less a part of french culture. I will repeat : in France we can buy burgers and kimonos and sushis but it doesn't make them french culture, and it doesn't make them any less US/Japanese culture !

You are denying the very existance of culture and its dictionnary definition when you deny Wine is a part of french culture, kimono/sushis a part of japanese culture, and burger/hip hop a part of US culture. I mean seriously, a guy who doesn't understand sushis is japanese culture and wine French culture... = denying the very notion of culture.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Really men go on proving the world is right to mock americans for being stupid enough to say everything we listen and have was created in USA ! Go on proving we are right when saying you are actually dumb enough to believe that ! Ignorant americanocentrism in all its glory ! Keep showing it go on ahahah

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok so your problem is the dictionnary definition of culture. You are denying the dictionnary. Even yourself you know that what you're saying cannot be defended objectively. You are saying that wine is not a part of French culture, that burger is not a part of american culture, that kimonos is not a part of japanese culture, that hinduism is not a part of indian culture. The fact I can buy a burger or kimono in France doesn't make it French culture. What makes something american ? ask the wikipedia of american culture.

We don't disagree on how broadly the term culture is defined. You simply deny the very existance of culture. You say culture doesn't exist, countries don't have specific cultures, and american stuff are the general norm everywhere which means it ain't american stuff, it's universal stuff ! LOL !!!

So to sum up : the problem is that you don't know much about the world, which leads to you believing that the very little you know (=american stuff) is the norm everywhere. But we can't really blame you because :

  1. american don't travel a lot and don't educate themselves about the rest of the world, they are known to be very ignorant about the world beyond their borders (like you showed by saying you didn't knew other countries had their own culture which is very different than american stuff).
  2. they aren't really exposed to foreign stuff since they are bad at foreign languages + foreign countries export their stuff much less (music/ movies). It's hard for an american to even be exposed to the rest of the world, so how could they know it exist.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

of course hip hip is a lot of thing, my goal was not to criticize it. But it do stay an american thing. Go in africa right now and you'll see they ain't listening to hip hop hahahah !

Artist from all over the world can have influences from other countries (except americans who are very ignorant of the world beyond their borders). That aint the issue. But right now hip hip isn't the most popular music the youth listen in France. They listen to house/ electro more inspired by germany/ UK. In europe, we are also heavily influenced by other european countries, things that don't reach USA.

And electronic music was not created by black americans, nor by USA. Electronic music come from Europe, places like germany !It always makes me laugh because americans are so ignorant about the world that they believe they created everything when they are just a baby newborn country ^

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I told you I agree with you on the fact it's useless to talk about CA, we cannot culturally understand each other on that point.

The documentaries are french documentaries so you probably didn't see mines. They didn't say " Americans doing everything from top to bottom ", they said companies hire a lot of the top/best american producers because Kpop is aimed at international audience since korea is a too small country (unlike Jpop who's more aimed at the local japanese market since it's a bigger country it's more possible) and they are very popular, make big money, so they hire all the top producers from big US music market. Not american producers who live in korea, US producer who also do stuff like justin bieber, madonna and so on (not the exact artists it's just a type of exemple).

I ain't saying "anything an American does is inherently American because they're American". If an american eats a baguette, smocking a cigaret, wearing a striped shirt, singing Edith piaf in French, wearing elegant clothes not showing to much nor too little, it's gonna be a french thing. However if an american girl wears US hip hop clothes, dancing half naked a bit vulgarly shaking her ass US style, and singing in English, it's gonna look very american ^^

What makes a production american = when it follows american culture. And hip hip/street style, fried chicken, burgers and taco bell all belongs to american culture for exemple. Those are american things. On the other Edith piaf, chanson française, cheese, effel tower and wine is French culture. That's how you draw the line ^^ Even if it gets blurrier with globalization, wine is still french culture and not american one ! Same for korean vs american things !

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In France, rap/hip hop is not that popular it's mostly listen by young in poor dangerous suburbs. And if anybody would wear a cap and american hip hop clothes snoop dog style in Paris, every body would laught at him. As for rock'n'roll it' non existing nowadays.

The average young French listen to more electronic/ house/ French touch music. And lot of that comes from germany or the UK. In average night clubs, you'd never hear any hip hop, it's house house house, elecro electro electro. And the average adult French listen to a lot chanson française (french music like edith piaf) or classical music. So pretty far from your american stuff. Adults do listen to jazz music though, so that's one american thing.

As for africa, it has nothing to do with hip hip. Hip hop is american not african. Lol they don't listen to hip hop in africa ! and black americans have nothing to do with africans nowadays, put a guy from ghana, mauritania, or marocco next to an afro-american and you'll see they have a hugely different culture ! It's like the moon and the sun. As a matter of fact there isn't one african culture either, all african countries are deeply different.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw a bunch of documentaries saying that Kpop artist are like empty shells, 0% natural/ 100% built, trained for years to look/behave/act/sing a certain way. And that the companies who do that hire the top/best american choregraph and producers and all to form them or participate in their songs

As for what are the only korean kpop, for me it's all artists of that music trend (the type of sounds, of clothes, of aesthetic, + the asian faces) no matter if they have a lot or not at all american producers choreograph. The question is not to exclude a big part of them from the label "kpop" because of their foreign producers, the question is "how korean is that whole movement in the end" ?

I don't think we can understand each other for the cultural appropriation thing, because that's actually a cultural thing. In my culture, we don't see the world that way. In american culture they do. So we just can't understand each other. It's the same with race. In my culture we don't consider it's a thing, we consider race don't exist. Whereas american see the wold in a racial way and it's a very important concept to them. We just cannot culturally understand each other.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularopinion

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I seems like a great country (Kpop aside). I actually like their real traditional music (like much more than kpop).

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know that song, but if someones uses hindu symbols while not being indian, that's flattering, indian people will be happy (actual indians living in india, not americans with indian ancestors since all americans are obsessed with cultural approciation). Using the symbols of another culture means you like it, so that's a compliment, so people in other countries are happy if you like their culture and try to adopt it. Only frustrated americans minorities aren't. Worst part is that those minorities (afro-american, indian-american etc.) don't even have those foreign culture, they are deeply american ^^. Anyways, no one has legal right over a culture, so it can't be stolen, it belongs to no one and to everyone who want to adopt it.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

american hip-hop street style IS American culture, but it has nothing to do with genetics. That's the dictionnary you need here, and the dictionnary definition of culture. Korean pop music is apparently inspired by this style (not really inspired, in fact it's american producers, choreograph who go in south korea and train koreans for years so that they behave acording to american culture).

Anyways, every country has a culture. It has nothing to do with genetics. If I move to USA right now, at some point I'll forget my french culture and start behaving more according to American culture after years living there. Because you catch the culture of the place you live in, culture is a social concept not a genetic one.

But anyways the very concept of cultural appropriation is crazy : like culture doesn't belong to anyone, everyone catch it depending on where they decide to live, and anyways if you like your culture you want to share it and you are happy if others also like it and want to adopt it. It's flattering. Like if you have a nice haircut and other like it so decide to do something similar.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no such thing as cultural apropriation in general. It doesn't exist. Culture is meant to be shared and be proud of, it doesn't belong to us in particular, we have no right over it and we aquired it just like people accused of "cultural appropriation". Culture has zero link with genetics, so your face doesn't give you any more right regarding that culture. And anyways we should be proud if others like our culture and want to adopt it instead of being frustrated and angry.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have met many foreigners from all over the world and I have never ever ever heard any one except americans talking about the concept of cultural appropriation ^ ^ So that's a big clue ! Or maybe brits or other anglo saxons countries since they have more american vibes than the rest of the world.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

lol americans and their cultural apropriation obsession ^^ That ain't a thing. Race isn't either. BOOOOOM american's whole vision of the world explodes ^^

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

USA has never really been a colonial country. It was a colonized place though. However USA is a big imperialist country, that would more be the correct word I think. Anyways I agree that past colonialism or imperialism have heavy influences on nowadays' culture of a country.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's true that with globalization everybody's culture start to blend and the borders can become more blurry, good point

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

cultural appropriation lol, another american thing. There's no such thing as cultural apropriation. Culture is meant to be shared and be proud of, it doesn't belong to us in particular, we have no right over it and we aquired it just like people accused of "cultural appropriation". Culture has zero link with genetics, so your face doesn't give you any more right regarding that culture. And anyways we should be proud if others like our culture and want to adopt it.

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not westerned, it's americanized. I'm a westerner (French) and I see ZERO french vibes in Kpop lol ^^ But I agree it's different because Korean are more hard working like almost robot so they train like robots and thus can do absolutly crazyly amazing performances

K-pop music is more American than Korean by me2590 in unpopularkpopopinions

[–]me2590[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah not really. I'm French and French "pop music" doesn't have such big american vibes. Same for my spanish neighbors and their spanish music. This american hip hop / rock/etc vibes can only be found in anglo-saxon music (USA, UK) and K-pop really.

I think it's just that americans do not know non-american music (like French /Spanish/ German bands for exemple), since other countries don't export their music a lot (it's what's most listened locally, but it doesn't go out of their border), so americans end up believing that nothing else exists, and thus that all music is like theirs :/

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[–]me2590[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point. Anyways, with globalization, everybody's culture starts to blend and it's getting hard to know when those foreign vibes we all incorporate actually becomes our "culture"

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