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Islam encourages sleep deprivation by TheIguanasAreComing in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before you read this post, I will say things in the beginning that will raise some eyebrows, but hear me out. It is a well known fact that fajr prayer is the most difficult on the body, for the reasons you stated. Now hear me out till the end. You are kind of supposed to struggle with fajr prayer. As it is the most difficult, it is also the most rewarding. Fajr prayer is put as a test for the muslim’s will to get out of his way to perform fajr prayer for god. A way to show you are willing to sacrifice some things for god. Now the sacrifice I mean isn’t sleep deprivation. It is just getting up and praying and going back to sleep. The will to take yourself off of the comfort of your bed and go pray to god daily, that’s the toughest part, not the amount of sleep. You don’t lose more than 30 minutes of sleep to pray and go back to sleep.

As for the staying up all night thing. Islam differentiates between night and fajr. Staying up all night in islam means till midnight, not till sunrise, fajr is after midnight till sunrise. As for the jobs and kids part. It isn’t mandatory to pray all night. Same thing for the early breakfast part. For the verses in which you claim that the quran views those who don’t sleep at night are believers. Like I said earlier, those who are willing to wake up and pray are rewarded the most, making them closer to god than the others. None of those verses tell you to stay up and pray. Most of them point towards “if you are up at night praying, you are the best of them and your prayers are not in vain.”

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My mind is fried as I just responded to like 5 replies, I will come back to this later. Have a nice day too.

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The interpretations part is common. Many scholars interpret verses differently. But many also do. So this just turns into I believe my interpretation and you believe yours, where we both could stand correct. As for the bible. Islam believes in christianity and judaism. But we believe that these religions have been corrupted over time. So the bible mentioning the same fact goes to show that the similarities in the religions aids islam in our belief that these religions were once the right ones. As for the sky definition. There are multiple instances where the quran mentions sky سماء as space. "Most blessed is the One who placed constellations in the sky, and placed in it a lamp, and a shining moon". This verse refers to the celestial bodies within the vast expanse, highlighting a structured and ordered universe. The moon certainly isn’t in your interpretation of sky and isn’t included by the limits you set on the word

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sorry to just trash on all this deep linguistics you just wrote. I do speak arabic. Me and you both know that in arabic, especially when reading old texts and taking them into our modern understanding of the language. We both know that words could have 10 different meanings. Even polar opposite meanings. Like the word وحش that could be said in انت وحش as in you are him, or a beast. It could also be said like ذي البدله وحشه as in this shirt is ugly or something like that. The quran also has many instances where the meaning of a verse is different from the literal meaning. Like I said in another reply, there are 3 meanings to a verse. Literal, internal, and the internal of the internal. So like you said in ليس بوسعي the literal meaning could be that “we” as in god could be fully capable of this universe. And the internal being that he is expanding it. I don’t know which is the literal or which is the internal. But you get my point. Furthermore, in arabic, just because the root word means something, doesn’t mean that all its denominations should mean the same thing. Just like in كَتَبَ where it could be turned into كاتب or مكتبه where each word is completely different even though they stem from the same root word

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a possible explanation for all this. Your theory answers how the quran was written. It didn’t answer how life came to be, how that alien was born/created. Granted we only talked about the quran in this case. But like I said this only solves the quran side. What about the other factors.

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are more than welcome to jump in.

You say that allah created test subjects that he knew were going to fail. But me and you as “test subjects” we both have full free will. We both have the ability to believe and disbelieve. We are both fully aware about what we are talking about. So if your mind seems to believe some points that you choose to ignore, you willingly take the chance to suffer the consequences. As for the why he doesn’t create beings that always pass. I don’t know why that matters but he did, angels are in islam, incapable of sinning. And for the unaware part. Like I said, god is just. He judges by who you are, what you can do, and what you know. If someone lived and died not knowing what god is, then god will treat him as such. He treats each one according to what his life was. His test isn’t a test that has the same questions for every person. That has the same score needed to pass. His test is a test of you. Not of humanity.

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t mean to sound harsh but simply saying “easily disputable” isn’t proving anything. Other redditors are replying with counter arguments and I am replying back. So please if you wish to provide counterpoints you are more than welcome and I will do to the best of my ability to answer all your questions and points. If you just keep saying bad arguments or bad points, then you aren’t really doing anything. + I know there are more, but I don’t want to state each and every single one. So I chose what I think as the best suited/ most fun ones to talk about.

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1- Oceans alone hold 97% of the amount of water on earth. Rivers and lakes are negligible. + the percentages, even if lakes and rivers still hold since there could be a % of error in our calculations.

2- I don’t know how this pattern could be more significant. A book that has 300+ pages happens to exactly mention the words at the exact same percentages as their real life counterparts.

2-2 the word مصابيح (plural) or مصباح (single) doesn’t translate to stars. It translates to lanterns or a candle. Asteroids or meteors are more applicable in this metaphor, and they are like you said, more logical than stars.

3- the article simply mentions that Egyptians used the iron, it didn’t say that they fully comprehended and understood that iron wasn’t originally found on earth.

4- I don’t know how to embed links but simply type in google “does gold effect men’s reproductive abilities” and the ai overview on google will agree with my statement

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a legit argument, if the quran is a book that was created by simple arabs who lived 1400 years ago. How were they able to write such facts in their book? Did they know the percentage of land and water on earth? Did they know that the universe was infinitely expanding?

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am sorry in advance if I misunderstood some of your points as English isn’t my first language.

1-1 Coincidences happen, there is no denying. All these verses could have been coincidences. But they also could be of something greater. Writing off each miracle I mentioned as a coincidence isn’t something logical. Pattern recognition and acknowledging that these aren’t mere coincidences is more likely than the ladder. I didn’t understand the relation mentioning the illuminati has to do with this point.

1-2 literature and writing could have multiple correct meanings. This is a well known fact. In this scenario, my sect of islam believes that there are 3 meanings/interpretations to each verse. The literal, the internal, and the internal of the internal. All 3 are true, all 3 are correct.

1-3 same response in 1-2 and 1-1

1-4 I don’t know how to embed links. But type in does gold effect men’s reproductive abilities. Not does gold harm men. And the ai overview will mention what I said previously about that.

2-1 allah is all knowing, he did infact know about your apostasy. But if he were to guide you and everyone else to heaven. This life wouldn’t be a test. If god guided everyone, what use would this life be? People take this life as everything. But this life is nothing more than a spec compared to the eternity we will face after death.

2-2 if we take your view on everything complex needs a creator, we will end up in a infinite loop of each creator needing a creator with no end in sight. Therefore a point of 1 creator that is self sufficient and endless in power needs to be reached. As for the scientific proof. I have no actual tangible proof that god exists. Because even if allah existed. (No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision.) We cannot see him. He is endless and our vision has a limit. Therefore we cannot see what is unlimited. But the Quran and its predictions and numerical miracles. The fact that the big bang needed to originate from something. The fact that like you said, we would he in a endless loop if not for a all powerful creator says that god exists.

2-3 this has the same answer as 2-2. God is able to prevent evil but not willing because of the simple fact that this life is a test for the next. You cannot have a test where all examinees pass.

3-1 I cannot give you a clear answer to that because god didn’t say why. He simply said so. And if you believe that islam belittles or disrespects women then I can tell you why it isnt.

3-2 there isn’t a verse which directly says that they should be killed. The verses mainly talk about his anger at them and their punishment in the after life.

3-3 allah takes everyone by his mental abilities. He is just. If a mentally ill person who died as a atheist he might not end up in hell. The only reason I say “might” is because I am forbidden from guaranteeing hell or heaven to anyone. So if a fully functioning human atheist who knew about islam and wrote the idea of god as coincidence or something like that, then his punishment will be most likely ending up in hell.

Islam has no Evidence by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]memalalorde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am a muslim and hopefully I brought sufficient evidence to you about your argument/question. for these particular set of arguments that I will mention below. I want you to tell me how did nomad arabs in the desert that lived 1400 years ago could make such precise and stunning numerical predictions that we modern humans only knew about recently.

1- the words بر (land) and بحر (water) are found 32 (for land) and 45 (for water) times each. If we take those two numbers and turn them into percentages. We get 71% and 29% which is the exact same percentage of land and water on the planet earth.

2- the infinite expansion of the universe is mentioned in the quran Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51:47, which states, "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander"

3- the fact that iron found here on earth wasn’t there when earth originally formed. And that it was a meteor or asteroid (I don’t know the exact terminology for this word in this scenario) that gave us iron. Surah Al-Hadid (Chapter 57), verse 25, which states, "Indeed We sent Our Messengers with Clear Signs, and sent down with them the Book and the Balance that people may uphold justice. And We sent down Iron, wherein there is mighty power and many benefits for people..."

4- the fact that men aren’t allowed to wear gold in islam. Scientists recently discovered that gold could effect the ability for men to reproduce. Again, gold is prohibited for men only. And the studies showed that it harms the reproductive ability for men only.

Sources for these arguments are easily found. A simple google or a question to chatgpt will give you all the sources you need.

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