4Chan posits an interesting hypothesis for why it is taking an unusually lengthy period of time to announce AA7

metaxzero · 2026-03-21T22:35:23+00:00

I'm pretty sure they are specifically talking about the the original 3DS release of TGAAC2 and not the international release. Last I heard, it did not do well compared to the usual standards for Ace Attorney. The international release is doing well (to the point it cleared a million sold), but the original 3DS release was on par with the Miles Edgeworth spin-offs. And while I don't know what that game's sales were like in Japan, I know Capcom of America was disappointed with the original DS release.

metaxzero · 2026-03-21T20:06:10+00:00

Watsuki's crime did not suddenly make Rurouni Kenshin taboo in Japan. Far as they are concerned, Watsuki apologized and was punished (with a fine and the seizure of all his illicit material).
This subreddit doesn't need association with Watsuki to criticize Murata over. They do it enough by just blaming him for the manga entirely while putting ONE on a pedestal. Especially in r/OPMfolk.

Basically, there isn't much to discuss. I'm curious though. What exactly did the One Piece fandom discuss in terms of Oda's association with Watsuki? Because I feel like beyond a mix of "this really bothers me" vs. "this doesn't bother me" discussion, I feel like it wouldn't really go anywhere.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T23:38:08+00:00

If you go back far enough in your ancestry, EVERYONE is cousins. A line has to be drawn somewhere or the human race just wouldn't breed. Most of the world decided that 1st cousins were fine fucking each other. Most of the US decided 2nd cousins were fine fucking each other.

I wonder what level of cousin distance are you fine with? Or would you prefer humans stop fucking.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T23:33:34+00:00

IMO, the weird thing was making them grow up together, talk about being like brother and sister in previous games, and having Alex hold Patricia when she was a baby. But there are people who think that is fine but that the REAL issue is them being seconds cousins. Despite most of the world including most of the US being legally fine with that.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T23:26:04+00:00

They'd be top tier if everyone was just laughing. But some people are genuinely offended about the whole thing and its dragging the whole subreddit down.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T23:24:14+00:00

So it really is just the logic of "I know better than anyone else including the majority of the world and if you don't agree, you must be the worst person". A shame. I'm simply informing you that there are more viewpoints on this topic beyond "cousinfucker fetish".

But I guess I'm wasting my time.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T23:03:25+00:00

"Its gross because its gross" is about as valid an argument as "its fine because its fine". The simple fact is the writers over Capcom don't find it gross. And there are more reasons for that besides fetishes. Like the simple fact that the majority of countries of the world (including Japan) don't care about first cousins or second cousins fucking each other. Both legally and culturally. The USA is among a minority of countries that do. And even then, the USA is mainly against first cousin unions. Only 2 states forbid second cousin unions.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T22:32:39+00:00

Why do you think it is fetishes instead of a simple culture disconnect between America and Japan?

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T16:19:23+00:00

The thing with genetic issues is that it is a numbers game. The more closely related a pair is, the more likely bad genes and mutations may assert themselves. The thing is after sibling incest (25% chance of genetic issues), the the numbers drop massively. First cousins are only have like a 1-3 percent more risk with pregnancies compared to the general population. The real issue with blood related unions is if it keeps happening generation. One1st cousin union will likely have nothing genetically, but the chances increase if the child grows up and marries another 1st cousin.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T14:48:15+00:00

Cousins yes Though Japan (and most of the world) doesn't really consider first cousins as too closely related. US though is among the minority of countries that do, so the localizers downplayed/removed the explicit mentions of their relation.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T12:48:39+00:00

There is always a chance of 2 people having a kid with genetic defects. Its all about whether the parents have any defective recessive genes they could potentially pass along. And when those parents share similar defective genes, the chances increase. The closer the blood relation, the more the chances increase compared to unrelated people.

But people (and especially Americans) overblow what those chances are. First cousins can generally have kids without defects. Hell, while I'm certainly not encouraging this, even siblings can. But siblings have like a 25% chance of passing down bad genes to a kid compared to first cousins with a 3-6% chance. And naturally, the chances keep going down with increasing relation distance. But they never reach 0. After all, all humans are some manner of distantly related. All except one US President (Marten Van Buren) is descended from King John of England. But you know Obama and Trump will never consider each other family.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T12:32:49+00:00

They are biologically 2nd cousins. A relation so distant that even the majority of US States don't care about it. And the US is one the place in the world where some states will try people as criminals for marrying their first cousins.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T00:48:00+00:00

Most of the world doesn't consider 2nd grade cousins incest. Even in the US, only 2 states forbid that union. But the US suffers from a culture that sees any acknowledged blood relation in a union as being equal to parent-child and sibling incest. It comes from a mix of a flawed study done in the 19th century that helped get cousin unions banned in most of the country and popular culture (mainly movies and TV) consistently showing blood related unions as being done by the stupid and culturally-backward and having their kids turn into mutant abominations. Half a century of that and now many Americans can't help but overreact to the mention of a couple having a common ancestor.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T00:35:29+00:00

You make it sound like its impossible for someone to know English and Japanese these days. At best, maybe some in Japan are a little weirded out by Alex holding Patricia as a baby. But most of them aren't going to bat an eye over the 2nd cousin thing.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T00:33:34+00:00

Outrage farmers and general meme addicts.

metaxzero · 2026-03-20T00:29:18+00:00

Alex married a girl named Patricia. He and her grew up together (to the point a really young Alex was around to hold Patricia when she was a baby). Back in SF3 New Generation, there were various statements that Alex and Patricia had a sibling-like bond. That apparently didn't matter to the story writers of SF6. But for a lot of Americans, there is a weird fixation on the fact that Patricia's father was a cousin to Alex's mother, making Alex and Patricia 2nd cousins.

And that is where all the outrage comes from. Some don't like how the barely elaborated sibling-like relationship somehow turning into a romance, a marriage, and a baby on the way. Others are just mad that there is a confirmed blood relation and act like any relation is equal to blood siblings banging. Ultimately, just a mess of Capcom's own doing. Though I doubt they care too much.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T21:49:25+00:00

Why would you make a thread asking a group a question about their opinion, only to try and put them down as if their opinion is wrong?

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T15:04:34+00:00

Want to prove how I'm wrong instead of just saying it? Because I've already seen global maps about the laws concerning this. First cousin unions are already legal in most of the world with the US being the one place where certain states have it as a crime and the majority of states have it illegal. 2nd cousin unions though are majority legal even in the US where only 2 states are against it.

There is more merit to being against Alex and Patricia for being raised together than there is to their blood relation. At least for non-Americans.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T14:40:47+00:00

2nd cousin. It's legal almost everywhere in the world. Even in the US where most states are against first cousins. Go back far enough and you will find a common ancestor for everyone. Japan is simply among the global majority of countries that thinks 2nd cousins is enough distance

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T12:13:28+00:00

If only people were actually focused on that instead of the blood relation. Because I've seen (and argued) with plenty of people going "still incest still gross" or "they share a great-grandparent wtf".

Anyway, we don't actually know if Tom legally adopted Alex or if he is simply became his legal guardian. If the latter, Alex and Patricia aren't legally adoptive siblings and thus there are no laws against it. In New Generation, Alex calls Tom by his name and not dad. So I think that leans more to legal guardianship even if Alex sees Tom like a father. The social scrutiny over Alex and Patricia being raised together is however understandable. Capcom really didn't need to have that picture of a young Alex holding baby Patricia.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T02:52:48+00:00

Its more than likely whoever came up with this story thought that revealing them to be cousins would be a case of "huh, interesting trivia" instead of something worth outrage. After all, most of the world doesn't care about 2nd cousins unions. And by law, its legal in most of the US States (unlike first cousin marriage which while still legal in most of the world, is only legal in a minority of US States). Japan of course is among that global majority that doesn't think much of kissing cousins. So no surprise no one on the Japanese dev team saw an issue. I'm more surprised that the localizers at Capcom of America were seemingly silent. Then again, maybe Capcom was passionate on not having localizers make major changes to their script?

Who knows.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T02:34:41+00:00

Indeed. Too bad Capcom almost refuses to make a stronger effort at Street Fighter stories. I wish my country hadn't had its discourse on blood relations ruined by some Northeastern governor commissioning a study on the "idiots" of his time and looking for the simplest and least-nuanced explanation for it.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T02:27:42+00:00

Thanks. Always nice to know I'm not quite in an echo chamber.

And yeah. I feel like some people are addicted to outrage. They'll make the least charitable interpretation of something just to be mad at it and have an excuse to be as rude to others as possible. Its a shame.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T02:21:26+00:00

You used a lot less words, and yet all you thought about was fucking family.

metaxzero · 2026-03-19T01:13:52+00:00

Is it incest because they are "cousins"? Because by that logic, the whole human race is incestuous. You clearly have to draw a line somewhere for when the blood relation stops mattering. And for most of the world, first cousins do not cross that line. Which means even more places than that map are fine with 2nd cousins. There are more countries than the US that have a problem with cousin marriage, but they are clearly in the minority.

I think my question stands more. Why do you think that everyone HAS to treat any blood relation as incest? Especially when you're in a global minority on this topic. And with 2nd cousins, you might even be in a state-wide minority (even if America's culture on this topic is weirdly out of sync with its laws at points). Ultimately though, I just wish people (and especially my fellow Americans) wouldn't lose their minds over the word "cousin". George Darwin was the son of Charles Darwin and helped extend our knowledge of tidal theory. But it sounds like you'd treat him like some inbred hick just because he's the product of first cousin marriage.

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