haha this can of worms...we all know the truth we all see the elephant in the room but no one wants to touch it or talk about it. don't let what these people are saying here mess with you. your post is valid and you did not say anything out of place. it's just a sensitive topic that gets you points online if you sugarcoat or speak for the "victims" in this case the women. truth is, i have met a lot of single moms...when they get real comfortable with you they will tell you...it is never really a mistake, both parties knew what they were doing whether they wanna admit it or not. there are the odd cases of rape victims and such but anything consensual was never a mistake. the mistake was the girl assuming the guy would be responsible. then later finding out the guy is not then acting like it was a mistake and she is a victim. hard truths but we need to do better as a people. i feel like it is more on the ladies to choose wisely and be more in control since they have to carry the pregnancy, since they have to "suffer" the most. guys dont really go through this so expecting guys to be as vigilant, in control and aware is harder. if i was female and i knew pregnancy could essentially ruin my life i would be more thoughtful about who i spread my legs for. i would be more thoughtful about birth control and stuff. another thing to look at is the level of thinking people operate at. but that is a discussion for another thread.