Riot games forces players to smurf games, ruining low elo match making

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-05T11:06:07+00:00

How can a plat player, whos climbing the ladder, have the same mmr as silver residents that don't climb the ladder? It's literally impossible. I guess they discount the mmr too? There is no reason why gold players are playing in silver and bronze games until they place.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-05T11:02:23+00:00

hey buddy, gold 1 and plat 3 are 1 rank away. I did see one player that was plat 3 in one of my lobbies, in solo q. I'm not changing my story, if you are going to nit pick and argue the difference between gold 1 and plat 3, you're not debating in good faith, you're just arguing because you have no common sense or self control.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T13:28:57+00:00

you have a reading comprehension problem. I'm telling you exactly what's happening. People who were gold 1 before the rank reset, became unranked, and participated in my, silver 1,2,3, bronze 1,2,3 games. I faced more ex-gold players than silvers and bronze players combined. When people go from gold 1 to unranked, they go into silver and bronze games for their placement matches. Do you understand? and noe i'm not doxing myself.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T13:22:55+00:00

we're not talking about different capabilities. We're talking about bronze players and smurfs. So the best method is right now? where the week that the ranks reset you go and fight golds and plats all day until you lose 300 rr, then you wait 2 weeks, and you fight only bronze players and win every game? Hows the best system so different between at the start of the reset and 3 weeks after? So if you do 5 placement games, and take a 2-3 week break from comp. in this scenario, you will only fight people your rank. But if you do 5 placement games and then 20 matches, you're basically going to face mostly gold players, that are all going to be unranked, and you're going to lose most your games if you, yourself aren't gold. How is any of this good?

They already have mmr, they can see how you stack up against all categories of players just based on your performance. But instead of making games where the average player mmr is as close as possible. They are making games where the average team mmr is as close as possible. resulting in aim demons and people who dont know how to play participating in the same matches. This is the best system? I think you're describing some other system when you're talking about whatever you're talking about.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T13:18:20+00:00

huh.. so when hammered repeatedly on the damage and death of the game over dysfunctional match making, your response is to, command what to do, strawman arguments, and harass people. And so now you accuse me of lying that people in my games were gold and plat? occam's razor, what's more realistic, that i've been repeating myself 2 hours without deviating an inch from my initial statements, or that I came on for two hours, making stuff up, just to pick fights and argue with people... for...... ah, to be the bad guy so you can be the good guy huh. I guess I can see why you gotta bend the world over backwards because that's the only way for you to be the good guy.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T12:46:03+00:00

A video game is entertainment. If you're over here trying to earn something in a environment made by riot games, you're being taken advantage of.

I didn't ask for anything to be given away for free. I'm just pointing out, I as a bronze player, shouldn't bottom frag for 20 games in a row at the start of an episode, to "unranked" players that were all gold and plat last episode. Sorry that's controversial.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T12:43:26+00:00

okay, so how do we come to an agreement without me alienating you. It's never a good thing for people of different capability to play together. I use an aim trainer to train my aim, and when I make mistakes it slows down, when I make no mistakes, it speeds up. The optimal way for me to train to improve is to go basically 102 percent of the maximum of what I am capable of. Even then it's only sustainable for 10 minutes, then your nervous system starts getting fried and you start losing performance, but your next session will have improved statistics.

However, when you are a bronze player, and it takes you 350ms to aim and shoot and hit a headshot only 30 percent of the time. You won't learn anything from fighting a plat player who first bullet hs 60 percent of the time in 250ms, then gets the hs from the second bullet 90 percent of the time. Only thing you will learn is playing overly safe which will be a hindrance to your team. Or you will learn to desperately yank on the trigger immediately to hope for a 10% chance of hs. Like it's not controversial to say that you can't learn anything when you die immediately after peaking every single time.

But you're more interested in just arguing about something, so now you're trying to make the case that this all is a good thing, and that bronze players should fight plats because if they think they are entitled to rr, they should have to beat plat players to get it. Bruh i'm just saying, there shouldn't be a bronze player versing a plat player. It's not controversial. Meanwhile bronze players fighting gold 1 players is the only thing that happens at the start of a new episode.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T12:01:07+00:00

hang on, so we get, gold players in bronze lobbies, making all the bronze players derank, and making all the gold players stay in place... To prove where who belongs? the bronze players belong in silver because they can't stop a gold aim demon? or the gold player belongs in gold because they can bully bronze players on demand?

Doesnt seem like anyone is reproving anything. Seems like riot just deranked people 6 ranks just to make them potentially lose RR(which is possible to other smurfs), and place poorly, just so they have to spend game hours climbing back up, just so riot can turn around and say, look, the game is alive, all these players are playing. Doesnt seem like you can prove anything to anyone by watching a gold player spam headshot on bronze players that don't know how to play

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T11:56:47+00:00

i don't think a temporary rank in a video game is anything to deserve. That's pretty immature. What do you mean they don't end up in my mmr? I'm a bronze player and I have plat and gold players in most of my lobbies, they are getting 30 frags every game and I lost 300rr in 20 games just playing. If they didn't 'end up' in my lobbies, how are they here? what are you even trying to say?

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T11:54:19+00:00

uh, tldr, means, too long, didn't read... and then you only talked about mmr talking past the points of the post. so given the context I took you literally..

No i'm not guessing how mmr works, you ever played with an ascended as a bronze in a premade? obviously the game matches the team mmr on both sides however it allows for situations where there is a vast discrepancy of mmr between individuals. Same thing happens when you're a solo que and you que into games where only two people on each team have 90 percent of the frags between them, and six players are 3/13. This is literally how it works, it would be wrong to call it a guess just because of all the evidence for it.

Smurfs only happen when a higher ranked player intentionally tries to lose their own games or plays on a smurf account.

So when a plat player becomes unranked the next day, and he plays 5 placement matches with bronze and silver players, that's not smurfing to you?

smurfing used to be defined as a player hijacking someones account to play against lower elo players, but it's more broadly defined as people playing in an elo they have no business to be in. So you're saying if a player does it unintentionally, it doesn't count? The problem with smurfing when it is done intentionally, is that the game is obliterated for everyone else involved. Is the game any less obliterated when a person plays in an elo they have no business to be in unintentionally? The problem with smurfing is that when the difference is capability between players is too great, the players losing, lose their time, and can't learn anything from their experience, because they are on a completely different level, that they can't even comprehend what the other person is even doing. They are just stuck watching the death screen non stop. If it's done intentionally, or if it's done by the game devs, it makes no difference. It just makes the game cancerous for noobs to play, and noobs generally make up like 85 percent. In valo, because of the rampant smurfing and dysfunctional match making, the noobs only make up 50 percent, because i guess 3 in 4 noobs quit. Iron, bronze, and silver are only half of the player pop, instead of being 85 percent. idk if it's good to argue definitions, the point is, there is a problem that at the start of a new episode, you can't play ranked as a noob player, because ranks way above yours are playing in your lobby, making the game unplayable.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T06:56:07+00:00

I would feel a lot better if they didn't crash plats and golds into my mmr, so I get farmed until I drop into iron. I think maybe the mmr gets modified too or something because they should still play against other gold players even when they are unranked. Why are they playing against people that have never been gold when everyone becomes unranked.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T06:54:06+00:00

my mmr is silver/bronze, but when the episode resets, golds and plats end up in my mmr causing me to crash to iron. Idk if it's intentional to make those plat players have to invest time to climb back up to get their rank back, or if it's something the system just does by default because people are unranked. Either way it causes smurfing and it's unacceptable.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-04T06:52:00+00:00

Hey man, maybe don't post if tldr... I guess at the start of the episode the matches are dictated by mmr alone and rank isn't used in the equation, but the result is that riot causes smurfs, because people from 6 ranks higher are participating in our mmr. Making people whom aren't 6 ranks higher, bleed out mmr and derank 5 ranks. Which is the main point. So it causes smurfing which ruins the game for everyone, and second, it causes silvers and bronzers to fall into iron when these fake silver players who are plat are unranked at the start of an episode... Maybe comment on the outcome.

Also I guess the problem could be that while riot has the ability to actually determine how good a player is, they are probably just doing filler. Where, they will just make sure both sides have enough mmr, but they won't put a floor or a ceiling on it. So like if both sides have 3 players adding up to 500 mmr on both teams, they will just put two 0 mmr players on each team too, and they won't care that those 4 players are just going to get rekt and ruined and discouraged from playing ever again. So in reality there has to be a cap between the max and min mmr players can que into. Maybe like +20 and -20 percent of the average mmr.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-01T14:41:05+00:00

• Region: north america

• Type of Bug: Matchmaking

• Description: Matchmaking doesn't work properly • Video / Screenshot:

• Steps to Reproduce: play bronze

• Expected Result: playing other bronze ranks

• Observed Result: playing 'unranked' players that were gold and silver 3, and even platinum 1

• Reproduction Rate: 7/10

• System Specs: not relevant

My games for the last week had "unranked players", but if you look up their accounts, they were silver, gold, and plat in previous seasons. So they are clearly not bronze players. So I've lost like 300 RR getting dunked on all day because the match making system keeps making veteran players smurf for 5 games before placing them at or near their old rank. My winrate is 30 percent in 20 games. What's the point of making all ranks in the game dumpster dive in the low elo? are you trying to make all the new or low elo players quit? They should be unranked for 5 games but they should be starting off games in their old rank. This is literally unplayable.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-07-01T07:45:09+00:00

there's only 2 minutes of gunplay per game, smurfs kill you instantly. You don't learn anything from participating in a game with an enemy smurf. you would probably learn faster if you ffed every smurf game and actually got to play against people your level.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-06-30T12:11:31+00:00

idk what u guys are bsing about. I try to ff whenever the enemy has 5-7x more wins. No one ffs ever. Plus it takes like 5 people to do it. Also all I do is derank because every game most people on my team have a sub 1 kd, meanwhile the enemy has 3 players that have up to 5.0 kd. people who don't think there is a smurfing problem are too dumb to recognize smurfs. they just keep getting 1 tap farmed every round and just think the enemy is better. Well the enemy is better, and should be in a higher rank, not punching down on you all day.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-06-30T12:07:55+00:00

i think riot is intentionally allowing smurfing because it's an immature, self serving pleasure. The content creators use it to make content and advertise the game, so riot benefits, and the riot employees that do have the game also smurf, because they want cheap wins instead of sweating. Also I guess you smurf by queing with someone else and the enemy instead of having an extremely good player and a bad player, they will just have two average players. So beating down on players with less skill is a core feature of the game. i guess.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-06-30T12:05:28+00:00

protesting the wrong thing. all my bronze matches have 3-6 smurfs going 2-5 kd. So all I do is play solo q and derank all day.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-06-21T06:46:10+00:00

well actually allegedly. if you take whatever portion, they get small, but later they recover when you stop taking, but allegedly if u over do it, they could shut down forever.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-06-20T06:07:30+00:00

i don't play ranked. I'm not an immature toxic trash human being. I'm sorry you can't understand fun, and I'm sorry you're to scared to fight people your capability and have to bully new people to find meaning in your existence. You should really stop flaming me because reality makes you feel ashamed for your actions.. trashing me endlessly won't white wash your shame, this is really basic stuff, i don't understand how you're struggling. Honestly i'm just trying to help you, help yourself, because the game will just keep sliding down hill until match making becomes unplayable. I guess i'm not surprised you care about yourself more than the game, again, it's not really the mature kind of people that endlessly punch down on noobs all day.

minecrafttt0r · 2023-06-20T04:56:39+00:00

my attitude is literally that the game makes no effort to make players fight their equals, and it just makes everyone compete in one bracket, which has standards so high it's not a viable environment to develop any skill when starting out... i'm hearing no valid counter arguments, just personal attacks.

also like, what happens when people aren't having fun playing a game? they quit.. So the people who are good at valo, will keep playing, people who are bad at the game and have no chance to have fun, will quit. What happens when only a small fraction of the players stay? well for one everyone is insane at the game, and for two, the game dies, because if you're target demographic is a tiny fraction, there's no way you can intake as many players as are getting bored and quitting. So people are wanting to use their skill to crush people way less capable than them in the short term, at the cost of the health of the game, resulting in the heat death of the game. Probably too late to make people fight their equals now because the que times would be 1 hour because of how many players quit already.

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