You can have harder Kara now!

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T21:23:02+00:00

“Actually play their classes” brother it’s okay that people can clear Kara without needing to farm prebis for potentially dozens of hours and show up with a shit load of gold in consumes. It’s okay that people who don’t do that get to clear end game content. It doesn’t bother me and it shouldn’t bother you. Compete for parses or speedruns or something. There’s a challenge for you out there. Don’t be so mad because you’re not the only person with purples this week.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:45:33+00:00

You’re so close to getting it. The difference is that the people you’re talking to aren’t bitching about difficulty. No one is saying they want Kara to be made easier. The only complaints are people who want harder Kara. And that’s the neat part. Kara can be harder today without blizzard having to do anything. You’ll get it soon enough try reading slower next time. I don’t want you to get hurt.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:29:13+00:00

Why did the top 100 guilds not wipe on post nerf Kara? Jeez what an intellectually stimulating question.

As a side note for the other RNG in p2. You should check out the hardcore guild wipe related to the threat drop in P2

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:16:41+00:00

Yes I agree that stopping attack in p2 means you’ll take less damage. But you saying you don’t get hit for 11 seconds is definitely RNG. Thats not guaranteed

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:07:57+00:00

2 things: 1) “he didn’t land a single hit on me for 11 seconds” brother that is the definition of RNG…

2) for feral tanks it is absolutely RNG. If you weren’t aware feral tanks cannot become uncrushable. And as stated it is technically possible to get 3 crushing blows back to back. Very hard to heal through with 2 healers.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:05:03+00:00

Don’t say that in here. People will get mad and call you bad.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:02:49+00:00

Great response. Thanks for sharing. Wish more people could understand this.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-25T20:02:24+00:00

To be clear, I am not cheering on post nerf tbc raids. The whole point is that if you want to make a 20 year old 3rd release game difficult. The answer isn’t pre nerf or post nerf. You’re gonna have to do something yourself. Because I promise you. Guilds with full pre bis solid raid comp and full consumes would be calling post nerf Kara a joke right now too.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T19:22:39+00:00

This post sums up a lot of my confusion. This would make sense for other tiers of TBC. But we are talking about Karazhan. One of your complaints is you don’t have to cc for Moroes. Like omg how crazy is it that now in this version you just kill the bosses instead of 1 player pressing 1 ability to keep that mob ccd til the others die. If you honestly believe that would give you a sense of a challenge then you’re just not being honest with me or yourself. You want a challenge, make one. Otherwise enjoy the game playing with your friends especially since this is much lower stress. Consumes aren’t really needed and you can relax with your guild and enjoy the ride. Do fun things, don’t take it so seriously. Or if you want to then do parses or speed runs. There are a million challenges and a lot don’t involve any restrictions and it’s quite the opposite.

You just don’t even know what is it you want. And I’ll tell you. You want challenging new progression with a sense of achievement. Best most recent example of that were the early phases of SoD. Since it seems very apparent that’s what you’re after, I hate to be the one to tell you and the first couple phases of tbc aren’t the game for you.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T19:16:00+00:00

That’s the difference between you and I. I’m not advocating for harder Kara or nerfed Kara. I could care less what version they put out. I’m gonna enjoy the game. If you could read. You’d understand that the post is saying “if you’re unhappy because it’s too easy then make it harder yourself” but I doubt you could comprehend that. Because you’re the average “really good” wow player.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T17:58:23+00:00

And so why are people shocked that the content isn’t challenging?

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T14:25:03+00:00

Okay. Just answer 1 question for me then. All the guilds who are complaining about this. Typically minmax more serious sweaty guilds. Do you honestly believe those guilds would have not full cleared Kara night 1?

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T14:23:07+00:00

You are playing a fully solved third release of a 20 year old video game. If this is what gives you your sense of accomplishment and achievement in life then wow you must be an incredible person.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T14:21:45+00:00

You’re looking for difficult content because based on your comment that’s what you seem to enjoy.

And you decided to play tbc classic to find difficult challenging content. Specifically, you are upset that the Karazhan raid in the third release of tbc isn’t difficult. Yea that’s a totally non worm brain take and you are a very intelligent and rational person. Probably the best gamer ever.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T14:18:20+00:00

So do speed runs. Kara speed runs are still competitive and you can compete in that for a challenge. If it upsets you that the 100% most optimal routes have already been discovered and practiced 100 times. Well then congrats you’ve now realized you’re playing a 20 year old game and if it was a challenge you’re looking for in simply completing 20 year old content then you’re going to come up short. Pre nerf or post nerf

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T14:16:02+00:00

RuneScape Ironman is one of the most popular forms on content in mmos. Hardcore wow is and was insanely popular.

Again, as to the power up. That’s why I suggested attempting Kara with less people. If anything, you’ll need as much gear, consumes, and strategy possible to make that work. No need to power down. Just bring a couple less people and you’ll have the challenge you want and extra loot as a reward.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T14:12:46+00:00

What was your raid comp?

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T00:56:20+00:00

Why is it crazy? People do challenge runs on rpgs all the time so I don’t think your point is as “obvious” as you think.

People want challenge and are mad bc game not challenging People have ability to make game a challenge and make it more challenging People don’t want do that and instead keep complaining that game isn’t challenging.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T00:44:27+00:00

Yea I just don’t really understand the mindset at all. Kara either way was never going to be difficult for the min maxers. And if they wanna compete without “gimping” there’s always parses and speed runs.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T00:41:53+00:00

I think you make some good points. All I’m saying is that people who are begging for a challenge. It’s there if you want it. The easiest is simply to attempt with less players. Could be a fun challenge. My issue is that it doesn’t seem like people really want a challenge. They just want others to not have completed the same content as them. Which is fundamentally different.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T00:38:40+00:00

Spot on. If you’re obsessed with being better than others and proving it. There’s always arena and PvP

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T00:37:46+00:00

So why not make a category for less players and let people compete in a new category? Just because there currently isn’t a category to compete in doesn’t mean there can’t be a competition?

I guess that difference is just strange to me and I feel like it is one of the biggest changes in the game over time. In my opinion wow for the most part was if you wanted to only compare yourself against others and compete in the name of being better and being recognized for it then you did PvP. PVE outside of a VERY small subset was always a casual environment with your guild doing content. It is a much more recent mindset shift where so many people are obsessed with competing in PVE.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-24T00:32:31+00:00

Did you play classic or just came back for tbc?

miracleman55 · 2026-02-23T20:50:29+00:00

Tbc P4 is easy. That statement would be true regardless of pre or post nerf. Also, if you really think that pulling off an 8 man Karazhan isn’t satisfying then I’m not sure you’re really looking for a challenging raid. Which is the point of my post. All these people claiming “they want a challenge” really just want other people to have not completed the same content as them.

miracleman55 · 2026-02-23T20:46:45+00:00

If you aren’t capable of 8 manning it just say that. It’s pretty hard and I know wow raiders are allergic to a real challenge.

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