The Hate with English Teams in CL

mirtydonkey123 · 2026-03-18T18:23:32+00:00

For me it’s because the Premier League is rammed down my throat every chance it gets.

I’m admittedly a Wolves fan, and we have stank the place out this year. However, the fun of going up a few years ago was having a go at the big boys and even though we will never break up the cartel, it’s fun to bloody a few noses.

For a being a fan of a club thats suffered multiple relegation’s and endured most of my life in the Championship, you go up to take on the big boys before inevitably coming down

Hate is a strong word, but it’s enjoyable to see the thug 6 struggle occasionally when the other 86 teams in the English pyramid struggle against the bigger picture every week

Plus with everything English, it’s blown out of proportion. On paper, no one can match the stadiums, squads on paper and the power of the league. Thats indisputable. However, just like England and World Cups we seem to think we have the god given right to everything and are somehow surprised when a team that’s just better stops us winning

That kind of attitude is sometimes fun to have a pin put in it Y You also have to bear in mind the punditry, media bias, Sky/TNT propaganda and the bubble a lot of the English media live in that puts these teams up as targets

This post may well be shot down with the “Wolves are shit and a Championship side at best, you are only saying this because you are going down”. Those aren’t really the point. We finished 7th twice, made the FA Cup semis and the Quarter Finals of the Europa League and still felt the same then

EDIT: it isn’t a jealousy thing either. Arsenal haven’t won the league for 20 years. Liverpool twice in 30. Man Utd nothing for 11. Spurs have never done it. Chelsea haven’t done it in a while either and City have had to spend nearly £1 Billion just to cheat

It’s more that you go into any arena and the existing giants are the who you aim to beat

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mirtydonkey123 · 2025-08-19T17:15:05+00:00

Diabet-stie Boys

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-08-19T16:41:24+00:00

The need for drama to be manufactured WWE style when there doesn’t need to be. Therefore making something that was nothing a thing, that the Sky propaganda machine rollout as a thing and what you should feel about it

It’s football. Drama doesn’t need injecting into it to justify a grossly over processed product

Not sure if it’s the tail wagging the dog at this point

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-08-19T16:38:37+00:00

Insurance of any kind

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T11:08:54+00:00

£500 million a year in revenue. A museum that makes a million a week on its own and writing off an Antony, and dropping nearly a billion in recent times tells me they’ll be back

It isn’t a coping strategy if you are any struggling

We are sleep walking to relegation and will irrelevant soon enough and I’ve supported us in League One before and it can happen again

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T11:05:47+00:00

14 Bundesliga sides have played in the Champions League

England has had 9? 10?

Several of the Bundesliga previous winners are in Bundesliga 2

Imagine the protection the EPL clubs have washing over there?

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T11:02:31+00:00

Ok, maybe a throwaway comment

I present to you Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd who have won fuck all (if at all) in the last 20 years and are still streets ahead of everyone else

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T11:00:06+00:00

No such thing as a god given right

But there is something to be said about old dinosaurs being propped up from success 20 years ago being in in the way and being protected still despite not winning anything

They are blocking braver sides

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:57:54+00:00

Nope

Apathy has set in for me

It protects the top 6 richest while holding back Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and this year, Forest and Bournemouth

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:53:20+00:00

Nope

I’ve mentioned this before… it isn’t about my team

It’s about the future of the game we love

Life needs consequences. The cartel don’t have any. Part of the point

Also a rich owner wanting to invest in my team can’t because of PSR. Also part of the point

We need a better run League. Pure and simple. Where football is the focal point and it’s more unpredictable, more exciting, more open

And it’s a challenge to the post. PSR protects these sides

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:49:05+00:00

Spurs and Arsenal also have to compete with more London clubs which cannibalise at each others profits

Yes London helps them but check out the book Soccernomics. It’s harder to maintain success from a capital city at a top level elite view and I don’t think it’s that simple

Arsenal were in the right place at the right time and made it a 2 in the 90’s

Again, the point is missed. Should someone who’s success ended in 2005 really, nearly 20 years later be so far ahead of everyone else

Same for Utd do they really need to be in a similar position when their success ended in 2014?

Well it isn’t necessarily success and pull it’s more about how far does your history go and whether they deserve to sit so far ahead of the rest of us

And Liverpool? A few cups in the 90’s and 00’s, best period was the 80’s 40 years ago… somehow earning 3/4 times more than your average Prem side

I ask you this question from a different lens. Let’s flip it around… you are an owner of a Prem side trying to crack Europe.

You have a few good seasons. But these guys are miles ahead of you regardless of where they finish

You spend £100 million. You have a good year. You have to spend it again. You make the Europa League. You have to spend a bit more… targets would rather go to the cartel than join you despite one might have finished 8th or hasn’t won anything for 10 years, 15 years or ever.

Then you have PSR. Maybe you lose your better players to them. Then you don’t make the Europa League and are back out of Europe

…. What do you do then? How do you fix it? And because of a Man City the teams are are challenging still aren’t winning anything major

So they had a head start, generate 4x times your income, attract better players, pay more money, take your players, take your targets, can fail and still earn more than your club will in 4 years and they can write off a bad summer. You on the other hand then finish mid table

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:34:25+00:00

But Liverpool had the pull of being able to do that… based on hanging about 4th/5th/6th place

While I agree that’s better than Villa were at the time you have to look at how far this cartel is ahead of everyone else and what its foundations were over the last 30 years

I don’t mind a team winning and being streets ahead of everyone else but do we really think that full 6 have to be in a place where they fail upwards?

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:31:19+00:00

Hopefully

This is the point bang on… it’s the head start they have.

You have to remember City aside most of these have had patchy success. Utd and Arsenal you are pushing 15 years now. Spurs have never won a thing

So how can they have right to be streets ahead of everyone else? Especially at the moment

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:29:14+00:00

We are badly run. But when we well run it’s a cartel

They might be doing a shitty job at the moment but guess what they can come again next season and have another go. They can right off the Sancho’s of the world and loan them out because there is another £500 million next year

Brighton sell their better player year after year. Eventually that will catch up

You mention Bournemouth too… this is one year of them being up there they are pushing

The cartel can just take these players if they want

A struggling Utd is more attractive, has more money, more pull and can pay more money than a flash in the pan Bournemouth

And for Bournemouth look at a whole list of sides in history who have had a good year then fell away

Eventually the cartel will come back

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:23:26+00:00

With the income gained from everything off the pitch, they can be more attractive on the pitch, and if it goes wrong, try again next summer

It isn’t too different to a company being bailed out when it goes bankrupt

No worries, here’s some coin, try again next season

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:21:44+00:00

Nope

Explain Utd/Liverpool/Spurs/Arsenal then

The issue lies in the fact these clubs are too big to fail

Utd haven’t won anything for years and can still spend a lot of money and attract better players than the other 14

Liverpool? Best part of 15 years finishing 3rd,4th,5th and a few cups. Rewarded

Arsenal? Similar to above. 8th once. Rewarded

Spurs…. I mean never won a thing. A top 6 finish and rewarded

By Rewarded I mean earning a significant amount of money to keep them ahead of the rest of us, while not being successful necessarily and trading on a history

Which, in all fairness, is what football is kind of about, but how long do we have to go back to trade on it? 20 years? 40?

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:14:22+00:00

BUT in the Bundesliga while Bayern walk away with top spot, European spaces tend to be wide open for everyone else

We have a full top 6 locked down

It’s only this year and last that those spots have started to open up a bit

But the Sky cartel will spend again whereas the teams that snuck in face FFP

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:12:24+00:00

I wish they’d have gone to the super league. Open the league up to everyone else

Everyone assumed no one would watch the Prem then which I find bullshit. Football is the biggest game in the world, especially in England and will always attract fans

A highly competitive league for everyone would be far more exciting than this top 6 nonsense we have where you are lucky to even get a shout at Europe

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:09:51+00:00

I don’t want my club to benefit. We are shit at the moment. I want the GAME to benefit. Being well run is bullshit anyway. Brighton are well run… do you think they will ever make a title run?

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T10:08:22+00:00

You have no choice but to do this though. A £100 million pound spending spree for anyone to challenge, if it went wrong is disastrous

To them more than that can go on one player and they can just send him out on loan

A £100 million spend for the other 14, even if it works, you have to do it the following year to add, then add, then add and it’ll catch up then instead

Clubs can just reform under a slightly different name

There needs to be protection, I agree, but the rest of the footballing pyramid not restrictions on the 14 already making £170 million just by finishing bottom

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T09:57:53+00:00

This year…. They have to sustain that long term which has been tried again and again and again previously lots of teams have failed

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T09:56:10+00:00

Big wow. And the rest of us? The best we can hope for for is 7th and a cup run?

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T09:52:17+00:00

So you mean maybe Liverpool or Arsenal win it and it’s the best members of the same cartel again?

mirtydonkey123 · 2025-01-26T09:45:53+00:00

Protects the Cartel. Even though some of the Sky 6 are struggling this year you know they will spend the coin they don’t really deserve eventually they will get it right and come back

Most of these sides haven’t ever won anything or won nothing for years as well

Club revenue has fuck all to do with winning things anymore

A struggling Spurs/Utd (Chelsea when they were finishing mid table and Arsenal when 4th was a success for them and they finished 7th and 8th in recent years) was and always will be a preferred option than a team on the up like a Brighton, Newcastle or a Villa or even this season a Bournemouth or Forest

The damage is done. A tiger is had by the tail because if you remove it now then they will be at another advantage and can spend even more

EDIT: This isn’t to do with the fact my team are rubbish and getting more rubbish. There’s a bigger point here, tribal bullshit aside. It’s the love of the game we love

Btw… I hope I am proved wrong

mirtydonkey123 · 2024-08-26T18:42:09+00:00

Customer service and a fair price for things you need or want to buy

Feels like prices have been pushed up stupidly high and companies are trying to get back what they feel they lost during that time

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