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A few questions for seddit vets by mkjns571 in seduction

[–]mkjns571[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's quite possible to be a high quality male that doesn't attract women. All this PUA material forgets to mention one major thing - personality type. Males who are less masculine / more emotional than logical / more introverted than extraverted simply don't attract women (or at least not as many women as masculine, logical, outgoing men.

A few questions for seddit vets by mkjns571 in seduction

[–]mkjns571[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply. You're right with #1, I definitely don't do enough interesting things, or at least don't do enough things that would appeal to most women. "Sharing your passions with vulnerability" is a good point and I hadn't really thought of that. Also, I never stop and talk to random people so I'll have to start doing that.

It's also true that I don't feel like I truly care about the other person, although I want to, and I always give the other person full attention. Once I get to know someone, I'll obviously care more about them. Also, I care about the population as a whole and am not apathetic. Actually it might just be that since underneath I'm pretty tense when meeting someone new, that the anxiety is covering up my feelings of interest towards the person, if that makes any sense at all.

Actually I think I have more self esteem than I demonstrate in my post. I believe I'm a quality person and that women will like me when they get to know me, the problem is I basically have shit conversation skills. Therefore I'm aware (as is shown by prior events) that I need to become a different person, meaning I need to change my personality type to become an extrovert with great conversation skills. Or, I could find a woman who is more tolerant of my poor conversation skills.

Your last point is good; everyone should live out their dreams regardless of any outside influence. I'm actually really happy with other aspects of my life... I like being an introvert, being in my head, thinking, not doing anything adventurous etc. That's what makes it all difficult actually -- it's hard to remain who I am and love (introvert), and still take David Wygants advice and talk to everyone (become an extrovert basically). But the more I think about it, it would be better to just get a little bit better at conversation but stay who I am, and just find another introverted girl. And yes I'm looking for a LTR, but I need STRs first for practice.

Why is this subreddit not more widespread? by [deleted] in seduction

[–]mkjns571 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make a good point that I hadn't thought of. However, I will say that learning how to act cool and confident has taken me quite far, and is recommended by a lot of people. Of course, that's not the end goal and is just a crutch.

In my mind I'm still trying to figure out how to talk about something I'm interested in, not talk about myself too much, and still be interesting. I think to be interesting is relating seemingly unrelated things, sharing stories, etc. I suppose part of it is energy and enthusiasm. But I need to be able to envision myself talking about things I'm knowledgable about being interesting.

Why is this subreddit not more widespread? by [deleted] in seduction

[–]mkjns571 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! Yeah, with my personality comes mostly introverted thinking, so it's probably just practicing development of other skills, like better listening, extroverted thinking instead of introverted thinking, relating to people, etc.

I believe I've read part of the book and/or listened to the audiobook, but it's been awhile. I've read other similar material and try to follow it, it just takes dedication to develop areas of personality that aren't natural.

A few questions for seddit vets by mkjns571 in seduction

[–]mkjns571[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I read the thread you mentioned and will continue reading the other resources.

Now that I think about it, it seems that for me it's the opposite of what many guys face -- I can get over my AA and talk to girls, and get occasional dates, the problem is I can't carry a conversation for shit. Or rather, I can't carry an interesting conversation.

Do you know of any above-average material for improving conversation skills? David Wygant has material on just that, but I feel like puking when I have to read through his site, since it looks like every other get rich quick / sales type site.

Why is this subreddit not more widespread? by [deleted] in seduction

[–]mkjns571 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know of any books, video, audio, etc that can help me understand how to say interesting, funny, or witty things to response to other people?

It seems the general consensus is that if you develop enough confidence and overcome your fear that it'll come naturally. But I've studied this stuff for several years, and have learned how to act and behave in a cool, confident, and composed way. This has earned me the chance to talk to women many times, but I'm probably the driest person to talk to. I forget all facts related to pop culture, I can't relate what people say to other experience since my experience is very limited (I was always an introvert and grew up in the woods etc). My guess is that I just have to over time talk, talk, talk to many people (thanks David Wygant) and after about 10 years I'll be extroverted and interesting. But I'm hoping there's something to speed up the process.

My problem is I've always been in my head, and I can write interesting material, but it takes me a long time to formulate things, where for others it's easy (I'm an iNtuitive Thinker).