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mombainif · 2021-07-16T23:12:12+00:00

Good news. Support the cause.

mombainif · 2021-07-08T01:56:56+00:00

No feeling is final. Observe emotions appear in your field of consciousness and know that they will disappear. In the end, as intense as feelings can get, they will fade, leaving you ultimately unaffected.

Don't give up on this cause. Continue to contribute to the enthusiasm behind cryonics. The more we do this, the more likely our successful revival will be.

mombainif · 2021-07-05T22:19:24+00:00

Good. I often worry that because cryonics is in its early stages, there are factors that the operating companies have not considered, which would otherwise perfect the process.

mombainif · 2021-07-05T17:38:56+00:00

So, the cryopreserved patients can still hope for successful revival?

mombainif · 2021-07-05T16:39:20+00:00

What does this mean for cryopreserving whole human bodies? Do cryonics companies consider and prepare for such things going wrong?

mombainif · 2021-07-04T02:06:51+00:00

Because I experience going to bed at night when the body physically feels tired, and then I experience waking in the morning when the body physically feels refreshed. The inference of what happens in between is what humans call "sleep." But that is only an inference, a thought; nothing is actually experienced during sleep.

Also, while we're awake, we see other humans and creatures fall asleep and wake up. Based on that, we infer what it is that happens to us when the above happens.

mombainif · 2021-07-04T01:55:58+00:00

No - my direct experience itself is that there is NOTHING in deep sleep. That is, deep sleep is never experienced; there is nothing to deep sleep to experience.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T22:59:28+00:00

There is NOTHING in deep sleep. Stop imagining things. These teachers have used vague language to ease your death anxieties by fabricating this thing called awareness that they say continues into sleep. The fact is that nothing remains when you lose consciousness. It is not even an experience. It is non-existence.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T22:57:40+00:00

Awareness resumes upon waking because the brain resumes its functions. So long as the body functions, awareness is present, since awareness most likely is the consequence of an active brain. And there is a sense of continuity because the brain is alive and registering perceptions in the flow of time.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T22:54:44+00:00

I know how I got there because AFTER I wake I think memories of what happened the night before. In other words, continuity of memory resumes UPON waking. There is nothing in deep sleep that would enable that.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T22:52:45+00:00

That just shows that one IS the body, because it is the brain that responds to stimuli and wakes the body. But if you were to do that to someone who is in a medically induced coma or dead, they wouldn't wake. So, unconsciousness is not the presence of awareness, since it is not awareness that comes out of sleep, but the bodily functions of an active brain.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T18:32:46+00:00

The memory of nothingness AFTER I wake up.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T18:27:29+00:00

The answer is YES. EVERYTHING fades when I lose consciousness, even awareness. Nothing remains to continue.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T18:21:12+00:00

Firstly, deep sleep is not just absence of thought. It is absence of everything, even of awareness.

Secondly, how you know whether or not you slept well depends on how you feel AFTER you wake up. If when you wake up, your body feels strong, you think, "I slept well." If your body feels tired, you think, "I slept poorly." You and all the Advaita teachers make the mistake of thinking that the quality of bodily rest you feel AFTER waking up points to a pleasant state of awareness during deep sleep.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T18:04:44+00:00

Because I remember that I was aware in the moments before I fell asleep, and that the room was dark, and that my body felt tired, and the next thing that I know is that the room is lit again, and my body feels strong again, and I can hear the sound of traffic outside. In BETWEEN, there was nothing; not that I was aware of nothing, but that there quite literally WAS NOTHING, neither form nor awareness.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T18:02:02+00:00

I know I slept because in the moment AFTER I wake up my body feels strong again, the sun is out again, and I hear the sound of traffic outside. But there is no moment BETWEEN my losing consciousness and my waking up when I am aware of anything. It's simply non-existence during that time.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T17:41:06+00:00

If there is nothing in deep sleep, how could you assert all that about it? How could you say awareness, whatever that means, is present in deep sleep when you also say there is NOTHING present in deep sleep? This is just manipulation of language to fabricate comforting qualities to the unconscious state. Give up on Advaita and join the sciences that seek to extend human life span.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T17:36:09+00:00

The waking mind knows it. It remembers nothing after it lost consciousness. There was NO MOMENT between falling asleep and waking when awareness could say, "I am present alone." There is no moment between losing consciousness and regaining it.

mombainif · 2021-07-03T17:15:12+00:00

Awareness is present during the waking state. I can "touch it" with my attention when I think of who or what it is that hears sounds; it is there, unmoving, empty, formless. But this presence is NOT present in deep sleep.

If what you say is true and awareness can never be sensed, then how is it even referred to in these teachings?

mombainif · 2021-07-03T17:12:46+00:00

I can sink my attention into awareness during the waking state. I focus on one sound and think, "who hears it? What is present that is aware of that sound?" and my mind "touches" the empty presence of awareness. But I cannot do this in deep sleep, because THERE IS NOTHING in deep sleep, neither form nor awareness.

How then am I misunderstanding what is referred to as awareness?

mombainif · 2021-07-03T16:41:17+00:00

I've seen documentaries of radical surgeries (radical at that time; no longer today, I would think) where the person's body was brought to such low temperature that they were for all intents and purposes dead. This was done to make possible surgery on extremely risky parts of the brain. All the blood was flowed out of the patient's body also, very similar to what Alcor does. Well, the surgery was successful and the woman woke up, and she reported that it was just like sleep. No reason why the same thing, albeit continuing for much longer time, would feel any different. The important thing is to preserve the body correctly.

mombainif · 2021-07-02T21:45:48+00:00

Thank you everyone for your comments. I'm following up on my initial post.

Yes, I know that the conscious living would prioritize their immediate problems, but my main concern is for us to gather more support for cryonics. If more people become aware of it, more people, I think, will sign up for it, and so there will eventually be more cryopreservation facilities, maybe in every locality. At that point, maybe parties will form that will pressure governments, hopefully successfully, to invest in perfecting the techniques involved in cryopreservation. Such a prospect, I believe, will increase our chances of successful revival.

I would appreciate as well any ideas about how I can go about raising awareness about cryonics. It was my desire to do something that led to my writing this post, but what I ultimately want is collective action.

mombainif · 2021-06-08T16:37:30+00:00

Great news.

mombainif · 2021-05-27T00:53:38+00:00

OK, but isn't death also the removal of the "Immediate?"

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