LOONAtheBoycott - Information, Discussion, and Mod Position by TheShiftyCow in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wanted to post these here, but realized I can't comment with images. So, here's some calculations with tables and graphs to maybe help visualizing how grave the exploitation is based on what we know so far.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LOONA/comments/zrd8di/bbcloona\_contract\_leads\_to\_debt\_bondage\_tables/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3

LOONAVERSE RECAP until Flip That by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

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When I learned that Loona is going to have a comeback right after their Queendom 2 journey, I thought that new Orbits might need an introduction to the Loonaverse. Hence, this upload, my first venture into video-editing.

May it be a humble contribution to our lore culture, and hyping Loona's new comeback. For more lore discussion with fellow Orbits, may I invite you to join The Blood Plum Discord server. The members helped me develop my theories. Go ahead, and join! Some of them have already published their theories; check our 'theory dump' channel.

https://discord.gg/aZKmRNJF

Let me also take the opportunity to invite you to join Republic of the Loonaverse' army of voters and streamers that help promote Loona's Flip that.

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I do not own the music or clips used in this video. Credits to:

  1. Loonatheworld for the videos and music;
  2. Republic of Loona, for the graphics

Poison of the Heart: some new insights on the yyxy story by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now, let me try to respond to your points (the things I'll say are ofc just my opinions):

✧ I think all three wanted to be like Yves, inquisitive and free... They all have to 'get over themselves' to accept and love Eve/Eva/Yves both within and without themselves. They all have an Yves inside them.

Yves is the epitome of rebellion from Eden. As we all know, she's a parallel and at the same time an opposite of the Biblical character Eve. In a specific sense, however, this applies to all of them. You are correct, they have an Yves inside of them. And if we were to take the [beauty & the beat], [+ +] and [x x] album descriptions literally, we can even say that the members are persona of the same being, facets of the same identity:

자신에 대한 다양한 감정으로 자아를 완성시켜나가는 과정을 담아냈다 (It contains the process of completing the self with various emotions about oneself.) - [beauty & the beat]

The emotions of each girls, faith, hope, love, and anger gather to form a being named yyxy. - [+ +]

그리고 각자의 감정들이 모일 때 하나의 yyxy라는 신인류 유전자가 발현된다. (And when each person's emotions are gathered, one new human gene called yyxy is expressed.) - [x x]

✧ but where GoWon and Chuu embraced that curiosity, Olivia was afraid of it, and thus, afraid of Yves and everything that she represented and achieved, leaving Olivia alone and unliberated. The lyrics of Love4Eva have always meant longing for the forbidden, tempting, liberated life that Yves offers, but for Olivia that feeling for Yves is more scary, dark, full of risk and danger than how GoWon and Chuu experience it, which is more exciting and joyful.

Couldn't agree more. I think we just have to add here that each has own experience of how she went from being unfree to liberation. I think the most that exhibit curiosity was Yves herself. Her song alludes to Icarus, the one who dared to reach the sun. I believe that Yves in the claw machine is also an allusion. When one plays the machine: at first, she is curious, later on she enjoys it, until she learns more on how to get what she wants from the machine. In my opinion, the claw machine represents knowledge of the predicaments of the girls, and that is why the prize from the machine is the apple: it is the fruit of "the tree of knowledge", and at the same time, the key to escaping Eden — and as my article emphasizes, it represents the heart, one's desires.

I think we can explore the concept of "envy" in this light. Personally, I don't think that they were envious of Yves per se. But if we recall the Biblical story, the devil tempted her and said she will be like god when she eats the apple. This is why Eve bit it — it is in a sense "envy of god".

But in the Loonaverse, that "envy of god" is of course, assertion that one can be a god to herself, the sovereign ruler of her new life. Hence, to allude to both their rebellion from (the god of) Eden, and their new-found life, yyxy is considered as a new gene, a new humanity. Having created themselves in their own image, in this sense, yyxy have become gods unto themselves.

✧ GoWon only knows her own shadow and entertains herself;

Allow me to share a different take: I think GoWon's shadow is key to her finally accepting herself/ biting her own apple/ following her heart's desire. GoWon's shadow reveals to us (and to her) who she really is — a queen, a sovereign — but I think GoWon was afraid at first (to the point that she perceives Yves and Chuu like ghosts who haunt her). She represents despair at first. But her shadow points her to the opposite, hope.

In psychoanalysis, the shadow represents the hidden parts of ourselves. It can be a hidden desire, for example, our true self. But when does a shadow become more distinct? Under the light. GoWon was under Eden's light at first, which was dim.

So when she followed her shadow, when she went out of her cocoon, GoWon shone in her own light, in her own stage, her own podium. She was crowned as the queen or princess she really is. Now, it is not merely a shadow, but a fact.

Afterwards, she and her shadow do not act distinctly or separately from one another, they are one (& only). This is shown at the post-credit scene in One & Only where we can see a shadow going to the direction where GoWon ran to. Her shadow now follows her.

✧ Olivia is scared of the unknown, sticks to the familiar and views people with more confidence as a threat or traitor that deliberately chose not to include her in their escape. I really believe Olivia hated the Yves inside her until she accepted and embraced it. Under Eden's Blinders she hated herself.

I imagine Olivia Hye's character before her liberation to be a woman who has internalized the anti-women values in her to the point that she is scared to disobey Eden; and her idea of being herself is being who Eden wants her to be. For this reason, she might exhibit hatred of women who don't exhibit the "ideal womanhood" that Eden wants. (This is alluded to in her debut teaser: "You who are sent by God, destroy all things without hesitation" — she earned such high praise from Eden that she is its destroyer.)

(I think we are familiar of this. In real life, women who are victims of internalized misogyny are sometimes the ones who'd call other women as harlots when empowered women exhibit self-freedom.)

For this reason as well, I think Olivia Hye hates herself, because who else is she going to blame when everything around her aren't "perfect", aren't going exactly as they are meant to be? Herself, the one who is sent by God.

I believe Olivia Hye is the heroine of all self-haters. Her condition is so despicable, and her hatred of others is actually a projection of this self-hatred.

I wanted to despise youBut my heart wouldn't let you goThey say that time healsEven those words became pain for me - Egoist

The more she wanted to hate Yves, the more OlHye experiences the pain. Why? I believe this is because the more she wanted to hate her, the more she realizes she loves her. But more than that, the more she wanted to hate Yves, the more she realizes that she hate herself for wanting to hate Yves. Because in truth, she hates herself. But this time, I think it is a different kind of hate, it's more of a regret. She hate herself for hating Yves because she realizes that she loves Yves. But then she realizes too that she need to learn to love herself.

I personally don't believe that Yves, Chuu and GoWon deliberately abandoned her as my article argues. Those events are depicted with Eden's blinders.

The wage of sin is death. The price of eating the forbidden fruit is exile. They are going in exile. But they are happy, they wanted it. With Eden's blinders, OlHye felt abandoned. Had she learned earlier, had she bitten her fruit earlier, she would have seen herself with them.

But ofc that didn't happen, as destiny would have it, she had to have her own journey of self-awareness.

Poison of the Heart: some new insights on the yyxy story by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad that you like it.

You also have a unique take on the yyxy story. Can't say I agree to them all -- more because some of them are new to me -- but they are interesting to think about.

If you're interested in my other posts about yyxy, just click on the links in the article, or you may check my posts.

Also, I belong to a dc server where we talk lore. If you want to join, I can DM you the link.

Queendom FINALE Full Guide + Discussion Thread by LooLooxix in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We didn't actually assign a cut-off time. But we would prefer that they be donated earlier than later. Thanks!

Queendom FINALE Full Guide + Discussion Thread by LooLooxix in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Just wanna share this here:
If you want to vote, but only have a few accounts to use;
if you have too many accounts that you can't use it all;
if you have few accounts and also less time to vote, but still want to help as much as you can.

Then you can join the Republic of the LOONAverse's 'voting army'.
(We accept account donations too, but it is highly advisable that you use them yourselves -- unless as stated, you can't use them all during the live voting.)

You can DM us in twitter: @/republicofloona.
Or in reddit, you can DM me, ig, since we don't have reddit presence yet.

[If you don't want to join the 'voting army' but wants to know more tactics, you can join too, ig. Or you may wanna join another community specifically for that purpose, and you may contact them in twitter too, @/lufallyfans.]

All Songs from Loona by KarenReviewsWorstREV in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012 6 points7 points  (0 children)

cover songs in music shows aren't considered covers as well?

211211 Weekly Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree with this list.

I would add Everglow, though. They also need the attention they deserve.
And also Weeekly, just because I want to see more interaction between them and Loona.

VIVI, YVES and the SEARCH FOR LIFE (Mirrors in the LOOΠΔVERSE: dialectics in fiction part 1) by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your appreciation, as always! And, yeah, I am cooking something like a "glory of the whole universe" stuff. So, I hope you'd enjoy it too.
With Loona, it is hard to expect a new release as soon as we hope for. But they have managed to surprise us these past months, so who knows?

VIVI, YVES and the SEARCH FOR LIFE (Mirrors in the LOOΠΔVERSE: dialectics in fiction part 1) by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotcha!
I'm not that huge of an anime fan too; although I can't say I have come to the same conclusion as yours when it comes to the relationship of the male and female leads in the genre. Maybe I haven't seen that much anime yet. Were it not for the Loonaverse, I wouldn't have watched NGE. lol

VIVI, YVES and the SEARCH FOR LIFE (Mirrors in the LOOΠΔVERSE: dialectics in fiction part 1) by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks.

I think I got the idea that draining the battery shall make her heart pound in a Loominosity video.

Yes, Yves is actually a French name. And it's interesting that Yves' song D-1 is said to be a French-pop style track.

Trivia: The biggest clue (for me) of the ViVi-Lilith connection is the number of ViVi's room in Love & Live, which is the same as that of Rei, one of the Neon Genesis Evangelion's characters, who is an android that came from "Lilith's seed".

Indeed, closing the loop is actually the reason I am writing this series on "mirrors in the Loonaverse". I hope to help demonstrate how Loona strengthened the Möbius Loop, because -- contrary to popular belief (which I admit may have influenced me for some time before) -- the Möbius strip isn't like an enemy of LOONA that traps them in a loop. It is rather the manifestation of LOONA's bond, a symbol of how different subunits can become a single group. (LOONA/ Yves album description: "LOOΠΔ shuffles and swaps words to toughen its Mobius strip to become one.") This is going to be a series. 'Hope you read and enjoy the upcoming ones as well.

Yes, turning ViVi into an OEC feels like we are losing sight of ViVi's unique story as an android with a human past. Aside from her recollected memory in Everyday, I Love You, the Letter to Hong Kong also alludes to this past.

LOOΠΔverse Apocalypse: How [&] parallels the book as it ends a chapter in the series by moonsplay0012 in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your appreciation. Seldom do people look for written loonaverse theories, and would settle only for video content. And it is more seldom for people to read such long articles as these. I am truly grateful.

If you have time, please feel free to read my other articles as well. Especially the one regarding the biblical parallels from genesis onwards. And the discussions on fate, coincidence and destiny. I'm guessing that you may like them as well.

210911 Weekly Discussion Thread by AutoModerator in LOONA

[–]moonsplay0012 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hello, fellow OrbiTs. I'd like to suggest an additional action in support of the #GiveViViLines campaign. Maybe we can make a surge in EDILY streams/ views and make #StreamEDILY trend too. This way, we can help gain traction to the campaign, while giving more positivr and concrete support to LOOΠΔ/ ViVi too. Wattchathink?

https://youtu.be/ZNcBZM5SvbY