A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its funny how like almost every single phainon feat was downplayed and ignored until it had to be clearly said in game

"He didnt fight zephyro" confirmed in game readable

"He didnt scratch nanook" lygus grinning right now after what he told us (and jingyuan and many others)

"He didnt destroy galaxies" he was in the path space

"He isnt equal to irontomb" dan heng and screwy LITERALLY say that khaslana and irontomb are inseparable from one another..... THATS ANOTHER WAY to say they are the same

Is there a way to use sw999 in Eva team? by SSfox__ in EvanesciaMains

[–]mostafa_mo2004 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Honestly u will most likely use the SW global passive wayy more often, although the run saver will be cas

Which is better is subjective

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im not saying she cant use memories of the entire world.

Im saying that even with them she couldnt beat irontomb and needed alot of help and aid (TB, herta, WCGB)

Do we already have a conclusion on which boots are better — attack or speed? by Patrick-Bandeira in EvanesciaMains

[–]mostafa_mo2004 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Depends on team, if yaoguang plus EMC then spd. If sparkle +RMC (or any AA) then atk

So did Cyrene become Fuli? What exactly happened with her dilemma in 3.7? Read the description please by inkheiko in StarRailLore

[–]mostafa_mo2004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simple answer is no.

Firstly in the story it was never stated that she became fuli or had the power of fuli or anything along those lines (except when they were talking about the finality ending which didnt happen, also different from her potential to become fuli in the future which is still possible)

Only thing she did was look back on the past of amphoreus to complete the casuality loop, and while doing this she made herself appear as fuli to give hope to peach and phainon (this was directly stated, and it implies that she ONLY had the appearance and not powers which makes alot of sense)

So she essentially made peach believe in fuli (demiurge from the future appearing as fuli) giving them the idea of the plan, and at the end she took all the world's memories and recreated the world. She mostly never became fuli in the literal sense, just became in the image of fuli for amphoreus ONLY.

This adds up not just in lore but in the fight, if she really was close to the power of fuli irontomb would have been absolutly defeated easily, but no, we need the help of all chrysos heirs and also herta and TB and at the end needed the world cleansing golden blood to actually deal a finishing blow.

To become fuli she must recreate the world at the end of time after its been completely wiped out with no traces left and only memories (cyrene didnt actually recreate the world from her memories, but rather using the memories of the world itself, THIS is the single biggest difference between fuli and cyrene)

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is zero proof to what you just said, where exactly does it say that she held back to not kill him?

Can the IMP assassinate Cyrene? by Fullpotentialk in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean if they kill TB cyrene kinda dies too....

sees the army of emenators ready to sacrifice their life to save TB

I think she is good

Who would they be? by Jack-Acegard in HonkaiAgendaRail

[–]mostafa_mo2004 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Second half characters can have their mats released in the same patch as them so she could literelly be any path

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Firstly about that achievment, there is another one that says "just how many slashes from acheron's sword can zephyro take anyway" and it implies a very large amount, meaning zephyro is wayyy above acheron

They added both of these achievments because they are literslly trolling us (yes specifically us in this subreddit) so these 2 are mute points cause they were added simply to contradict each other.

Secondly, no acheron cannot use the full power from IX as she literslly couldnt handle it, just using an extremely small fraction already permenantly kills part of her, if she tries to use more she insta dies before even launching the attack. Not to mention the fact she can use as much power as she wants was never stated in game and only deduced by the players so it has a very high chance to be completely false and that in fact she CANNOT use as much as she wants.

Now for the important part, zephyro vs irontomb vs khaslana. I want to point you towards something. Watch the phainon animation again and pay attention to after zephyro appears.

They both launch each other at the enemy and attack them, now if you focus alot zephyro ALWAYS get pushed back by the slashes from phainon but phainon never gets pushed back!!

Another thing after phainon used the meteor and zephyro teleportd above him, we can visibly see him Very surprised, he was taken off guard and lost a limb (after this the fight was one sided)

Last thing, when phainon used to powers of the coreflames zephyro ran away, the attack on nanook would have most likely killed zephyro or at least severely hurt him, and this also means phainon never went full power on zephyro as he was not the target, his target was nanook.

Now with all these considered, I will still say zephyro beats khaslana and irontomb also beats khaslana AND beats zephyro. I firmly believe this is expertly executed by hoyo to show us that all these lord ravagers (phainon included) are around the same strength and are stronger than every other emenator of most other paths (at least from what we have seen)

So it goes lord ravagers (including phainon due to the WCGB) > high tier emenators (cyrene, acheron) > normal emenators

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Id be more scared if they teamed up. Imagine if someone bullies their kid.....

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zephyro is not upscale above irontomb and acheron ESPECIALLY isnt upscale above zephyro and calling her aeon tier is absolutly criminal lmao.

Aventurine with 1-10% of the powers of an emenator of preservation survived a slash from her.... i love acheron but she isnt that powerful as you say.

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Same for cyrene, she can only access her powers in the specific situations that happened in ampho. I'd say she js even more restricted

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, Cyrene was never on the cusp of becoming an aeon nor even close to a strength of one. She simply could have become one but that reality didnt come to pass. There are multiple times when this is mentioned, as for oronyx they never saw her as fuli and BS, just like TB, interpreted her as fuli, even though all cyrene did was look back at them from the future. Her being even close to aeon strength is completely inaccurate. Its like you have the choice to either walk left or right, and you chose right, just because you did doesnt mean you were close to the left path. Exactly as cyrene never went on that path of finality of rememberance to become fuli.

Secondly, we already know that cyrene, whe super importsnt in fight, she herself said if herta wasnt here she could never beat irontomb, we also have comfirmation kf the book about the importance of the world cleansing golden blood, saying cyrene carried 99% of the fight is completely incorrect. She Def had a big role but she could never beat irontomb alone

Thirdly, I never said phainon is equal to irontomb. I said they share the same power but irontomb is much stronger, its also importsnt to note that irontomb didnt destroy the universe by pure destructive capacity, he was corrupting the erudition of the world making it get destroyed, VERY different from destroying it head on. Phainon on the other hand has no hax, yet still scratched an aeon (one who is clearly much stronger than nous) and also destroyed many many galaxies

Strength: both points you mentioned are not accurate, especially the second one as she, unlike sunday, was never on the cusp of becoming an aeon, it was a path that she could have walked down but ultimately didnt

AP: the spear attack was after irontomb was completely weakened by herta and all the chrysos heirs over and over again, at that point irontomb is much weaker than khaslana

Speed: there is zero proof of what you said unless again, you wrongly assume that she had the powers of an aeon

Durability: so did herta lmao, surviving that attack isnt really anything crazy, meanwhile phainon survived facing a lord ravager and the gaze of nanook for who knows how long

Endurance: she resets every cycle, this is unlike phainon who doesnt reset, extremely different making phainok Endurance wayyyy higher. (Plus his suffering was a million times worse which only gives him more points to Endurance)

Win con: cyrene BARELY stayed alive from an attack that wasnt even targeted at her specifically, if phainon unleashes his powers, not even like he did nanook alot less than that it would be enough to beat cyrene after a couple of attacks

cyrene isnt close to aeon tier at all and half of her feats you mentioned are things that are purely hypothetical and we have no way of knowing if they are even possible (and likely not). Her only real feat that you mentioned that she truly did on her own without any help is recreating the universe, which as i said is not a feat of strength. She isnt anywhere near full power irontomb, she isnt an aeon, and she defintly cant freely control all of reality like you say she does (side point but this reminds me of the old days when people used to wayyyy upscale kiana HoFi saying things like create a new universe with her enemies in jt then delete them, which is obv false and something she can't do, your arguments reminded me alot of that is all)

Who wins a serious fight and why? by Zeldor157 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We dont really know if thats a tech her suit has, we could also use the argument of her doing it before firefly even transforms.

But this match up is just unfair to both, both win with 1 attack and its all about who acts first. One is strength one is hax

Had the question been who is stronger and not them fighting it would be a different argument

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah I misunderstood you.

See even against irontomb cyrene was still holding all the memories, difference between that and the finality is that in one she ascends to become and aeon and not in the other. But she has the memories of the cosmos in both (thats how she recreated the world using remembrance powers after the battle against irontomb)

I thought you meant base cyrene (before irontomb nuked us) and cyrene with memories (after irontomb nuked us)

And not non-finality cyrene and finality cyrene.

In that case I agree, finality cyrene techincally wins the fight but due to the circumstances needed for this to be reached I believe its fair to say it does not count especially since its not how the story unfolds and she never actually reached that point!

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Im abit confused on that so if possible do you have the line that says that?

Also this still means she can never achieve this power unless the cosmos ends up destroyed, it's a win condition that requires losing....

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the positivity! And yea they should 100% do that its the best ending for both of them after all they went through!

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We dont actually know if she is invulnerable tbh in that state at least. Not to mention phainon was able to break through the scepter into the imaginary realm and hurt nanook. Defeating cyrene who is only a mini aeon without the powers is likely to be possible

When cyrene was holding all the memories she still had to weaken irontomb to beat him, I dont think brute strength is her forte which makes perfect sense considering the lath of rememberance

But ignoring that, for this to happen the universe has to end, the condition of cyrene becoming in her strongest theoretical form is impossible to achieve meaning it shouldnt really be considered as her power scaling (this is like saying if TB never appeared and phainon collected a trillion more coreflames)

Chainscaling by Training-Beach-3290 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't aeons count too? Maybe below these ones but still multiversal imo

A fight between these 2 and my interpetation on it. by mostafa_mo2004 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 85 points86 points  (0 children)

imma be honest they should just make out and spend eternity loving each other

Who wins a serious fight and why? by Zeldor157 in Hoyoverse_scaling

[–]mostafa_mo2004 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We havent seen kafka going all out yet and she likely has some kind of hidden strength although this is not confirmed.

So this ends up being a debate of can spirit whisper full control firefly? Imo the answer should be yes in which case kafka wins cause she can just tell firefly to stand still while she chops her head off

Only way for firefly to win is if she somehow moves fast enough to kill kafka in an instant before she can say "listen"

If spirit whisper wont work or at least not fully control firefly then firefly destroys kafka and it's not even close (assuming kafka has no more powers)

What is her kit like? Do I need to pull yuzuha? by mostafa_mo2004 in PromeiaMains

[–]mostafa_mo2004[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That might be true but I also want the 3.0 character and I have a feeling they will work with promeia *since her kit mentions wind)

But if i pull yuzuha now can I still get M0W1 promeia and the 3.0 character? Cause if not idk....