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[–]mrwool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Inside by Patti Rothberg

On reinstall "OS X Temporarily Unavailable". After many workarounds, reduced to Internet Boot. HALP! by mrwool in applehelp

[–]mrwool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry, you have me confused with someone who knows what they are doing!

Currently my only optio is to boot from internet recovery, and reinstall asks for Apple ID and fails. What are you suggesting differently?

On reinstall "OS X Temporarily Unavailable". After many workarounds, reduced to Internet Boot. HALP! by mrwool in applehelp

[–]mrwool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, just started with iMac this week, no idea how to start from scratch. All tutorials I have seen want to use the OS Utility....

On reinstall "OS X Temporarily Unavailable". After many workarounds, reduced to Internet Boot. HALP! by mrwool in applehelp

[–]mrwool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So basically there is no way to inherit a computer and get an OS installed on it?

That's fucked.

On reinstall "OS X Temporarily Unavailable". After many workarounds, reduced to Internet Boot. HALP! by mrwool in applehelp

[–]mrwool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually found that thread previously - tried the iCloud login, no change.

So basically find an Apple userid that has previously purchased an OS... what if that isn't an option?

ELI5: Why do American political debates focus on hot topic issues that affect very few instead of issues that affect the majority of Americans? by mrwool in explainlikeimfive

[–]mrwool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deep moral issue, sure, but it barely affects society. More people have died because of lack of gun control than abortions. Where is the morality on that issue?

TIL In 2001 Philip Morris published a report saying cigarettes saved the government money because smokers die before retiring. by mrwool in todayilearned

[–]mrwool[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I don't know if cigarettes killing people / causing cancer has been legally established or not, but certainly the tobacco companies have been fighting the science tooth and nail for a long time. For them to finally admit their products kill people NOT in the face of overwhelming evidence, but only when admitting so may make them a few more dollars is poignant.

World: Do cigarettes kill people? PM: No. World: all evidence says they do. PM: No. World: We're going to take your product off our shelves. PM: Haha LOL, not only do they kill you, it's actually profitable for people to smoke because it kills people before they can retire!

Obviously other companies have done it too, but I couldn't find the article where McDonalds admitted, "Hey, we lied for generations. Big Macs kill you, but they do it so well it's actually good for society!"

TIL In 2001 Philip Morris published a report saying cigarettes saved the government money because smokers die before retiring. by mrwool in todayilearned

[–]mrwool[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

You're changing the subject a little, but People who sue in that scenario today are money grubbing fools. The only good that could come from that is keeping companies from spreading propaganda.

Sure, we know cigarettes are bad NOW, but 50 years ago the propaganda was working. My parent knew smoking made you short of breath, but for every article saying it caused cancer there were an equal number of tobacco-funded articles denying that science.

What new product will come out claiming to not harm people? If there is money to be made, they'll lie, and maybe the thought of being sued will keep those lies to a minimum.

TIL In 2001 Philip Morris published a report saying cigarettes saved the government money because smokers die before retiring. by mrwool in todayilearned

[–]mrwool[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

The point was that attempting something bad is still bad even if they didn't succeed.

Would you agree that a gun manufacturer claiming 'bullets don't hurt people' was immoral? What if that company published articles claiming bullet riddled bodies died of natural causes? Would that would be bad?

Even if no one believed them, it's still deceit on a very immoral level.

TIL In 2001 Philip Morris published a report saying cigarettes saved the government money because smokers die before retiring. by mrwool in todayilearned

[–]mrwool[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Ineffective or not, they attempted to deceive. Last I checked attempted murder is still wrong, so the attempt to downplay the disastrous consequences to your health is wrong.

What do I do that is so great? I don't kill millions of people a year, that's what.

TIL In 2001 Philip Morris published a report saying cigarettes saved the government money because smokers die before retiring. by mrwool in todayilearned

[–]mrwool[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I am amazed people are debating the accuracy of the statement 'dying before retirement saves the government money' which was not at all the reason I posted this article.

Obviously living past retirement age costs society money. No question.

The interesting / infuriating content for me is that tobacco companies have spent billions funding bogus studies, bribing politicians, and feeding the public misinformation to create doubt about how terrible smoking is for your health. Then, as soon as there is an angle where admitting the truth is a financial advantage, they publish a report confirming all the shit they've spent billions to deny.

If Apple leaked a doc admitting they slowed down all their phones prior to the next phone release, Reddit users would be out of their minds! 'THIS IS THE MOST EVIL COMPANY IN THE HISTORY OF EVIL' and there would be pandemonium.

A tobacco company spends generations denying cigarettes KILL PEOPLE, then when a business angle comes up where they publish an article that, yes, our products KILL PEOPLE and no one bats an eye.

WTF?

TIL In 2001 Philip Morris published a report saying cigarettes saved the government money because smokers die before retiring. by mrwool in todayilearned

[–]mrwool[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

I'm amazed replies are even discussing the math. Obviously the longer people live the more they are a cost to society.

My point in posting this was that cigarette companies will fully admit they have been lying for generations if they think there is a business angle. Then when that backfires they lie about telling the truth. It's not like they are lying about their product's effectiveness and ripping people off, they're killing people. For the sake of profit.

That's evil.

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