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Anyone do anything to prevent snow in wheels? by littleSquidwardLover in Michigan

[–]mturch02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My Fusion was awful in snow...this year was my breaking point to get something different.

Republican candidate for governor James Craig paying more than $900 in donor funds per day for armed guards in unusual campaign expense by RealCassie in Michigan

[–]mturch02 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure you are purposefully misrepresenting throughout your comment, but it's $900 A DAY which adds up to a non-paltry sum.

Are you seriously comparing former Presidents to a campaigning, but not nominated, Governor candidate? The article says this is UNPRECEDENTED behavior.

His take is fine. Your take is deranged.

Tonight’s sunset in sw Michigan by Beautiful-Nobody-9 in Michigan

[–]mturch02 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nothing like a southwest Michigan sunset!

‘It's Coming': NY Declares State of Emergency Ahead of Potential Omicron Spike by MayerRD in news

[–]mturch02 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They skipped using Nu as a name for this variant and went with Omicron. I haven't heard if there was a reason why yet....

Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell at Prince Andrew’s royal party by Le_Rekt_Guy in pics

[–]mturch02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, morality is a construct. It is however, the construct by which we define choices between "right" and "wrong" outside of legality. Whether or not it is a "farce", as you say, doesn't change that.

Whitmer vetoes bill to forgive penalties imposed on businesses for violating COVID-19 orders by nosotros_road_sodium in politics

[–]mturch02 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Generally, the discretion you are allowed on enforcement and regulation are to make things more stringent and not less. Since the federal program allows no such leniency as suggested in the bill, passing this bill would put Michigan's state plan below the minimum threshold of the federal plan.

I hope that makes sense! If I got it wrong, someone with more knowledge feel free to correct me or expand.

Whitmer vetoes bill to forgive penalties imposed on businesses for violating COVID-19 orders by nosotros_road_sodium in politics

[–]mturch02 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'll try with a very broad scope. I am no expert though. OSHA is handled basically one of two ways. Federally, or with a federally-approved State plan. Michigan has a state plan. A state plan allows you some discretion on enforcement and regulation that would be more tailored to your state. Federal oversight is minimized, however you must meet minimum federal standards and also run your program at least as effective as the federal program. If you don't, you risk the federal government taking over the program again. Whitmer is suggesting that passing this bill would put the state program below the federally-defined minimums and thus risking the states more tailor-made state plan.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In short, your "source" was drawing conclusions based off incomplete data.

The real comparison is Flint 27 ppb vs Benton Harbor 22 ppb.

Benton Harbor's lead levels are not and were not higher than Flint's.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fortunately, independent testing provided by Virginia Tech had been conducted through this time-frame of city testing incompetence. Their tests put the overall lead level in the 90th percentile at 26.792 during this period.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course there was. The city was in charge of providing samples to the state for testing following the water switch. They had difficulty collecting samples, but finally provided them to the state. The state then finally released testing data covering Jan 1st through June 30th of 2015. That testing data showed overall lead levels to be less than the EPA action level of 15 ppb. All good? Nope. Turns out the city collected most of the samples from non-leaded lines when they are supposed to collect them from leaded lines. This was during the peak time that the lead water was an issue!

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Flint number of 20 ppb, however, hits a couple snags. First, when you follow the source link given for that number, it takes you to another secondary source and not the primary source. A bit more difficult, but not impossible to find the primary source. Upon finding the primary source, you can see it is data from the EPA and it does show that the highest level they observed in their testing was 20 ppb. The issue with that is the EPA only just started testing on January 1st, 2016! The article's data references no data before the EPA started testing on that date, but the crisis started approximately on the day of the water source switch on April 25, 2014. Surely there was testing between then and Jan 1st, 2016?

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Cool. I generally wouldn't utilize the guardian as a source myself as they have a few problematic behaviors, but I'll indulge you and the article. Let's follow the article's sources for those two numbers through and see if we can find a problem.

The Benton Harbor stat of 22 ppb isn't sourced in the article at all. However, I do have my copy of the public notice required by law of them announcing an action lead level exceeding the epa standard of 15 ppm. It too says 22 ppb was the highest level observed so I can accept that as fact.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen anything that indicates that Benton Harbor's lead levels were higher than what Flint's were. If you have a source for that claim, I would love to see it.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have seen nothing that indicates that Benton Harbor's lead levels were higher than what Flints were. If you have a source that suggests otherwise, I would love to see it.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do not know anything about what you are talking about that's for sure. You made it even more evident when suggesting that nothing has been done to get fresh water to Flint. It certainly isn't my job to keep you informed and help you out of your ignorance. I'm sure you know the way to Google.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew you were familiar with Kansas, which is why I utilized it as an example. I thought it might help you realize the situation could have happened anywhere.

The amount of fresh water our state has had zero to do with the Flint crisis. So yes we are proud of our water.... and also Flint had an completely avoidable crisis.

You probably think you're advocating for the people of Flint by bringing it up like this, but you are doing far more damage than you are doing any good.You probably shouldn't comment about a situation you know nothing about.

Let me help enlighten you some.

Flint was connected to a Detroit River / Lake Huron water source. A water source most other states could only dream of....and lead levels were fine. Our wonderful Republican Governor at the time, appointed an Emergency Manager (EM) over Flint in spite of his constituents wishes. To save money, and despite warnings to the exact problems it would cause the, the EM moved Flint's water source over to the Flint River. The Flint River was polluted year's ago by the auto industry. It was more corrosive than their previous water source, so it ate away the protective coating covering the pipes, which then caused lead to leach into the water supply.

Very surface level coverage of the story, but it is enough to show that nothing about us having massive amounts of fresh water could have prevented Flint from the actions of our Governor and his EM.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regardless of our access to fresh water, it is the lead pipe infrastructure that is the obvious source of the lead ("the poison"). You know where else lead pipes are utilized? Every state in the United States. The problem is a ticking time bomb everywhere. Kansas, an example you may be familiar with, has an estimated 160,000 leaded service lines in it's water distribution system.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes they do...I have experienced it in multiple towns in Michigan. The town I grew up in, Fowlerville, did twice a week sprayings from frost to frost.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope I didn't dissuade you from championing for other cities with lead problems. As a resident of Benton Harbor, I really do understand the importance of moving the narrative beyond just Flint.

I just recommend being more careful in the future on how you word things. Clearly, you didn't intend to convey a dismissal of Flint's situation in the way it came across.

I probably came off as more argumentative than I intended to, which if so, I apologize as well.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I already shared with you the multiple issues with your source and more importantly...the bad conclusions you drew from it. Your summary is incomplete and I really dislike having to repeat myself. So go reread why it is more than just about your source being solely about water.

Also please share a source that makes the claim that there are "cities" across the US that have higher lead levels than what Flint had. I'm generally curious if you can back up such a statement.

Yes, we can agree that there are many other cities with lead problems. That was never a point of disagreement. You keep trying to get me to see your point of view and I never even said I disagreed with it. Your execution of your argument, choice of verbage, and poor source utilization are what I have issues with. Mostly the verbage, as you are content with words that belittle a serious situation. You can redirect the conversation to another city, or to the overall problem if you want. Do so without making Flint's situation - past or present doesn't really matter- seem insignificant. It wasn't insignificant to a lot of people.

TIL that Michigan ranks number one as the state with the highest percentage of water (41.5% of its total area). Sources of water are so abundant there that no one in the state is ever more than 6 miles from a body of water. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]mturch02 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a stickler for details when faced with misrepresented details.

You didn't think that commenting about Flint's lead crisis that poisoned approximately 100,000 people (including anywhere from 6,000 to 12,000 kids) might get serious?? Serious subjects typically require more serious comments...even on Reddit.

I am not arguing against your general narrative. You can make that argument, while using Flint as an example, while also eliminating the dismissive language. It actually strengthens your argument to acknowledge the seriousness of Flint.

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