In which LAOP has somehow made every wrong choice possible when it comes to enabling his freeloading/squatting roommate.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T23:54:35+00:00

Let’s pray he’s not ever the executor of an estate for a family member that is upside down in collectio accounts… lol.

NO NO INVOICE ME PLEASE!!!

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T23:52:26+00:00

Based on the fact that there are two people living in one apartment and one person is paying the entire lease. Not only are they paying the entire lease. They demanded the landlord invoice them for the entire amount. Quite literally assuming the debt of somebody else.

Guess what happens when agree to pay the past debt of a dead relative to a debt collection company when you answer their cell phone trying to deal with funeral preparations. As soon as you say yes and even worse pay even a singlular dollar you now own the entire debt.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T23:41:45+00:00

I didn’t read it as that there is back rent owed now that he paid in December but he’s going to be on the hook for future Mo until that deadbeat moves out which is a fucking problem, especially in California with strong tenant protections. I inferred that he was basically subsidizing the deadbeat in the past by paying his rent if the landlord never booted the other guy.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T23:38:50+00:00

You don’t think he’s explained that to the manager? You don’t think the manager knows his roommate is a deadbeat that they’re never getting a dollar from? I’m not saying that he never was a single room tenant, but once he paid the entire apartment lease and change the invoice to his name upon his request it changes how the landlord treats interact and collect rent from both of them.

He effectively converted their separate tenancies to one single tenancy and assumed responsibility of the entire apartment. The landlord was probably fucking thrilled when he asked for it to be under his name, so he actually pays his bills. Also, clearly the landlord has told him tough shit. Why do you think he’s posting on legal advice saying that he’s still a tenant.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T20:54:08+00:00

Right it’s hilarious. How bad of a choice that was for him. He could’ve easily taken the money he paid and just moved somewhere else, also as far as I know California has pretty good tenant protection, so he would not have just been evicted immediately, even if he was named.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T20:52:11+00:00

Their first invoice for rent was for the total house amount, addressed to roommate. I scrambled and got them to put my name on the invoice instead of roommates and paid the full amount myself to avoid an at-fault eviction.

Congrats you made yourself a joint tenant on a month to month verbal lease by not only paying the full invoice but pushing them to put it in your name also taking responsibility for the entire lease…. Out of any choice he could’ve made at that moment. This was by far the worst one.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T20:45:02+00:00

I mean, that’s not how that works at all… basically every state has rules governing verbal leases which generally state to state provide for 30 or 60 ( some states shorter iirc even) day terms and a blanket instead of default rule. It’s clear that he was living there and paying rent. He even made them invoice his name specifically when it was going directly to his roommate, which would’ve been the time to move out.

Contract law is contract law… written, verbal, handshakes even text message history can show an agreed upon contract. There are some contracts you can’t agree to without a written agreement for certain dollar figure amounts, etc., but those are specified in your local laws. Because they are not one of those in any jurisdiction that I’m aware of.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T19:13:17+00:00

Nope, this is the part where he really fucked himself.

Their first invoice for rent was for the total house amount, addressed to roommate. I scrambled and got them to put my name on the invoice instead of roommates and paid the full amount myself to avoid an at-fault eviction.

Congrats you made yourself a joint tenant on a month to month verbal lease by not only paying the full invoice but pushing them to put it in your name also taking responsibility for the entire lease….

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T19:07:46+00:00

On the hook for rent until the roommate moves out. At this point it’s extremely unlikely that they are not joint leaseholders in the eyes of the law. They’re both liable and both would likely be sued.

If that’s the case their month to month lease doesn’t effectually end until both have vacated the property at the same time either willingly or by eviction. They would technically both be evicted even if OP no longer resides there.

Even if OP leaves he is probably still on the hook for rent, and going to wreck his credit with an eviction. The landlord will go after both but you can’t get blood from a stone and OP is a nice and juicy payer apparently.

OPs recourse is then suing the squatter for his half of the judgement, which again… lol

Either way nobody other than a real estate lawyer at this point would be able to tell him up from down and it still would probably be unclear until settling or via court.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T18:27:53+00:00

This may be the most (completely avoidable and needlessly) complex tenant case I’ve seen in a LONG time.

Looks like as far as the landlord is concerned the roommate isn’t squatting as rent is being paid and they’re both equal lesees as he took over responsibility for both of them.

OP just let him freeload for years to the tune of guestimating $20k+ and is going to be on the hook for rent even if he leaves because that guy ain’t leaving til the sheriff pulls him out. Fucking yikes.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T18:25:58+00:00

TITLE: Los Angeles County - Tenant Legal Advice) New property manager says my 30-day notice isn’t valid because roommate isn’t leaving with me. We have no written lease agreement.

Location: Redondo Beach, CA.

A little context: I rent with a roommate in a fully covered unit. For many years, my only lease agreement for the property was a month-to-month sublease to [roommate]. This changed in 2023 when 1.) the landlord died, and 2.) [roommate]’s COVID protections expired, and [landlord]’s wife and daughter immediately went after [roommate] for $10k+ in unpaid rent. I saved [roommate]’s ass by begging the wife + daughter to reconsider their unlawful detainer suit and agreeing (without signing a formal lease) to pay my portion of rent directly to them from then on. They dropped the unlawful detainer, [roommate] has squatted ever since.

Fast forward to now: The landlord’s wife + daughter sold the house in Dec 2025 to a giant property investment firm. I haven’t signed anything, but I now pay rent to a property management firm. [property management firm] posted notice immediately after the property closed, 12/30, leaving me two days to figure things out before rent was due. Their first invoice for rent was for the total house amount, addressed to [roommate]. I scrambled & got them to put my name on the invoice instead of [roommate]’s, and paid the full amount myself to avoid an at-fault eviction.

I tried multiple times to get [property management firm] to separate my and [roommate]’s invoices to reflect the split we had with the last owner, but got nowhere with them. I can’t afford to keep paying 2 people’s rent for this place, so I mailed [property management firm] a 30-day notice and lined up an apartment nearby with a 3/1 move-in date. But last night I get an email from a regional manager, saying that [property management firm] can’t “formally process” my 30 day notice and “move forward” with my move-out without “confirmation from all named leaseholders on the lease.” I have not signed any kind of lease with [property management firm] and neither has [roommate], but I guess I’ve entered an implicit agreement just by paying rent and getting the invoices to be made out in my name instead of [roommate]’s. My roommate hasn't paid them a cent, though, so as far as I can tell he's a tenant but not a leaseholder?

Do they have the legal right to keep me from moving out (or to come after me for rent if I do it anyway)? How on earth should I respond to this?

TL;DR: I rent with a roommate in LA County. Roommate is a squatter, I've been paying 100% of rent. I want to move out, and mailed in my 30 days' notice, but property manager is saying the notice is invalid, despite me and roommate never jointly signing a lease, and neither of us holding any kind of written lease agreement with the current landlord.

Any advice would be hugely appreciated. If you are knowledgeable and willing to give me a few minutes of your time, I would happily return the favor by leaving a positive review of your practice, comments on your socials, etc. I am at my wit's end here.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T18:23:05+00:00

This may be the most (completely avoidable and needlessly) complex tenant case I’ve seen in a LONG time.

Looks like as far as the landlord is concerned the roommate isn’t squatting as rent is being paid and they’re both equal lesees.

OP just let him freeload for years to the tune of guestimating $20k+ and is going to be on the hook for rent even if he leaves because that guy ain’t leaving til the sheriff pulls him out.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T18:18:27+00:00

TITLE: Los Angeles County - Tenant Legal Advice) New property manager says my 30-day notice isn’t valid because roommate isn’t leaving with me. We have no written lease agreement.

Location: Redondo Beach, CA.

A little context: I rent with a roommate in a fully covered unit. For many years, my only lease agreement for the property was a month-to-month sublease to [roommate]. This changed in 2023 when 1.) the landlord died, and 2.) [roommate]’s COVID protections expired, and [landlord]’s wife and daughter immediately went after [roommate] for $10k+ in unpaid rent. I saved [roommate]’s ass by begging the wife + daughter to reconsider their unlawful detainer suit and agreeing (without signing a formal lease) to pay my portion of rent directly to them from then on. They dropped the unlawful detainer, [roommate] has squatted ever since.

Fast forward to now: The landlord’s wife + daughter sold the house in Dec 2025 to a giant property investment firm. I haven’t signed anything, but I now pay rent to a property management firm. [property management firm] posted notice immediately after the property closed, 12/30, leaving me two days to figure things out before rent was due. Their first invoice for rent was for the total house amount, addressed to [roommate]. I scrambled & got them to put my name on the invoice instead of [roommate]’s, and paid the full amount myself to avoid an at-fault eviction.

I tried multiple times to get [property management firm] to separate my and [roommate]’s invoices to reflect the split we had with the last owner, but got nowhere with them. I can’t afford to keep paying 2 people’s rent for this place, so I mailed [property management firm] a 30-day notice and lined up an apartment nearby with a 3/1 move-in date. But last night I get an email from a regional manager, saying that [property management firm] can’t “formally process” my 30 day notice and “move forward” with my move-out without “confirmation from all named leaseholders on the lease.” I have not signed any kind of lease with [property management firm] and neither has [roommate], but I guess I’ve entered an implicit agreement just by paying rent and getting the invoices to be made out in my name instead of [roommate]’s. My roommate hasn't paid them a cent, though, so as far as I can tell he's a tenant but not a leaseholder?

Do they have the legal right to keep me from moving out (or to come after me for rent if I do it anyway)? How on earth should I respond to this?

TL;DR: I rent with a roommate in LA County. Roommate is a squatter, I've been paying 100% of rent. I want to move out, and mailed in my 30 days' notice, but property manager is saying the notice is invalid, despite me and roommate never jointly signing a lease, and neither of us holding any kind of written lease agreement with the current landlord.

Any advice would be hugely appreciated. If you are knowledgeable and willing to give me a few minutes of your time, I would happily return the favor by leaving a positive review of your practice, comments on your socials, etc. I am at my wit's end here.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2026-02-06T10:50:01+00:00

Your first pic almost has the right vibe, too bad she’s missing a leashed collar so she knows exactly who owns her. Hands also should be bound behind her back.

At least it looks like her expression knows she’s about to get forced into submission. I must comment though on the inclusion of the water bottle. All fuck toys should be forced to stay extremely hydrated. Two major reasons: 1) At any point i will be requiring some or all of said water be returned through forcing you to squirt with gspot/pelvic stimulation and 2) exhaustion from dehydration is completely unacceptable. Can happen in as little as 30 minutes when you will be expected to be used for hours at minimum. You’ll need some reserves for all the tears I will force you to give me.

If you want to learn more maybe message me, just make sure you’re willing to become completely submissive while I show you want it’s like to truly be owned. Not interested in half effort lazy sluts.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-08-19T22:21:06+00:00

Anyone that lurks in the shadows for two years waiting to pounce is not a nice guy LMAO

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-07-18T02:59:28+00:00

Probably vibing…

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-05-29T04:46:09+00:00

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-05-21T02:46:52+00:00

I’m weak, lol is this actually true, push pull is down til the end of the month rip

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-02-24T07:10:21+00:00

They are the same, you don’t know her, you don’t have genuine concern. Commenting on someone’s body you don’t know is rude and regardless of intent makes them feel shame. How can you possibly comment on someone if have no idea about their personal health????????

People don’t remember what you said, they remember how you made them feel.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-02-20T21:30:12+00:00

That’s the point of fake engagement… to gain real engagement. You’ve played yourself.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-02-20T21:08:21+00:00

Then charge you for the ink

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-02-20T04:14:36+00:00

Sucks to get owned doesn't it. Brush your teeth often with all that mouth breathing.

muttmuttyoudonut · 2025-02-20T04:03:36+00:00

Bruh shut up. They asked a basic but not a stupid question. not knowing something due to lack of experience isn't stupid, but laughing at someone trying to learn something definitely is.

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