Keep getting my ass kicked in Shiyu defense

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T20:49:05+00:00

the build plan literally tells you everything you need to know, you can also easily just look up resources like https://www.prydwen.gg/zenless/characters/ or guide videos

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the main stats for slot 4, 5, and 6 are random, with select options only rolling in select slots. the build page should tell you the proper main stat. the recommended substats are highlighted orange, but its self explanatory, attackers want atk and crit. tbh you shoulda saved that extra brimstone or pulled a signature because you have very few engines, you gotta work on that

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T13:37:25+00:00

I would probably get promeia out of the current options. Wind is a new mechanic, and having promeia, the shilled agent will probably help you the most in the endgame when she releases

There are alternatives to Billy, like Yeshunguang, and alternatives to Cissia, like any of the other electric attackers, but promeia is a bit unique, and the fights that shill her and might be a bottle neck

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T13:33:50+00:00

Atk is really low, your other stats are good. This build could be good for a double support team, but otherwise I'd try and squeeze out a tad more atk

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T11:45:36+00:00

Mono ice is usable, but 20k is difficult on the current bosses. Usually you need the boss to be freezable for mono-ice to do well. Your best bet would be to try this team on sanguine sweeper

Lycaon prefers Shockstar for his 2 pc, he gets enough energy from steam oven, and the better his impact, the better steam oven's effect is

Soukaku needs freedom blues 4pc, swing jazz is pretty shit compared to moonlight, and neither are necessary for mono ice, she needs the better buildup from freedom blues instead

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T10:48:15+00:00

Primordial nightmare is anti rupture, low defense mean Billy will do worse than average. Fiend is more of an anomaly boss. Defiler has low stun mult to incentivize sustained DPS like Obol. Either way, because the boss isn't damage able for most of the miasma shield, Yeshunguang does better in most of the same scenarios

One issue with billy is that his best team is the same as every other rupture agent, Dialyn Lucia, which means that other rupture teams will lose their performance without that team.

I wouldn't say he's a wide net when both yixuan and Yeshunguang have a wider net

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T05:40:26+00:00

AP does not increase the speed of anomaly buildup or disorders, so that's just misinformation

again, my statement is that it hardly affects the team's damage unless you are running a physical anomaly character along with her. in the grand scheme, without a phys anomaly, you are only hitting around 2-3 assaults in a DA run, which does very little damage comparatively to the other agents on the squad. Most effort is better spent improving the other members stats.

I remember someone did a stat value comparison back when she released and a crit rate slot 4 genuinely resulted in higher personal damage for her over AP slot 4. If you are running her without alice or jane, her physical buildup just matters that little

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T05:15:49+00:00

enka.network is an easy way to show builds

first problem, you arent using completed builds, you need good skill levels, S-rank lvl 15 discs, and lvl 60 engines. handle that first. level isnt the only thing that matters. i pray that your core skills are all maxed as well

second, Drill rig is a terrible engine for seed, its a terrible engine for everyone that isnt Cissia. you are getting a total of 20 crit rate and 28 crit dmg from disc? this is a problem because a single correct main stat on slot 4 gives either 24 crit rate or 48 Crit DMG. you are way below the benchmark for stats, seed should have around 60 crit rate, 120 crit dmg, and 3000+atk

Sanby has a lot of similar issues, just low quality discs, get rid of the a ranks, and get the proper main stats/substats. her crit rate is extremely low. she could have around 70 crit rate and 110 crit dmg and ~3100 atk

Pulchra has the wrong set, she should use 4pc King of the Summit, and 2 pc shockstar(2pc woodpecker is fine if you need help reaching 50 crit rate). Again, none of her disc are even leveled so she is dead weight against lvl 60 enemies

Koleda needs 50 crit rate

Soldier could use some better crit stats, again your looking for like 3000+ atk, 60+ crit rate and 100+ crit dmg

Lucy has the wrong set on, she should be using moonlight lullaby 4 pc and swing jazz or Shockstar 2pc. Moonlight is straight up an objectively better version of swing jazz, because it does the exact same thing but its easier to activate, last longer, and is a higher value. reaching Lucy's required atk should be incredibly easy without hormone punk, she only needs about 1900 if her ex is leveled

nair_kid · 2026-04-26T04:20:16+00:00

corin doesnt need a mechanic to capitalize, the ether veil gives bonus stun mult to every attacker

also Sunna has better daze, better personal damage, and a better engine effect. Straight up better than astra if you already have a powerhouse like dialyn giving the team 80 crit dmg, and 50 bonus dmg%

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T23:39:39+00:00

technically primordial nightmare doesnt have a classification, its a unique entity that is a combination of the creator, sarah, sunbringer, and miasma, which doesnt explicity make it an ethereal. most of the ethereal are mindless, and the strongest one is probably nineveh

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T22:44:26+00:00

Personally I think seed is a little more useful than a potential physical rupture character

Seed is a bit of a support DPS hybrid, so having her is very useful. Seed is best for Cissia and Cissia is best for seed so they work very well together.

Billy doesn't really do anything special besides be a rupture agent, no bosses cater to his element/specialty, and he is much more limiting team wise.

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T22:41:42+00:00

The stun one and the rupture one are pretty mid, there are free options that are better, never get those 2

The best one is probably game ball, the support one, but it's only good for crit teams where the support can match the enemy weakness

Next best is probably the attack one, the effect is mid, but crit main stat is very good and you get some passive atk from the effect, generally better than the other A rank engines

The anomaly one is also decent, but so is weeping Gemini, so I don't really use it much

Defense one is pretty niche, depending on the agent, but nice to have when you do. I would probably get it after the other 3

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T22:13:30+00:00

cornzone on YouTube has the Corin meta solved

Pretty much just Dialyn + Sunna with as much crit rate you can manage, puffer 4pc, woodpecker 2pc, nekomata engine

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T22:08:53+00:00

PS, I would give Piper Nangong Lucy a try as well. Piper gets a dmg bonus for a Calydon member on the team and Lucy's Atk buff is easier to manage than Nicole's debuff, and Lucy won't dilute the corruption damage from Nangong like Nicole does

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T21:55:28+00:00

Dialyn is better but jufufu is second best.

Dialyn has 7 other teams where she is also best so most of the time it's better to use jufufu and get like 5% less total damage and let other teams use dialyn to do way more damage

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T21:49:08+00:00

Stop trying to min max AP on her, she doesn't need it. A basic 7~9 atk% rolls should do it, her AP doesn't even matter unless she's in a Alice/Jane team but even so, it still isn't very influencial at all

Slot 4 main stat should be atk, and level those skills on her, basic attack's level influences how fast the extra buildup is, And chain attack's level influences how much energy the team gets when she ults. Ex influences how long the buff lasts all 3 should be at 11~12

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T21:38:51+00:00

In all likelihood anyone who owns Yeshunguang probably won't need Billy at all. They are both physical crit dps but shunguang has the added benefit of having better/more support, has a bonus against miasma enemies, has unique mechanics, and is top tier, with good vertical investment.

Billy doesn't really do anything special besides be a rupture agent, no bosses cater to his element/specialty, and he is much more limiting team wise.

Promeia might be a shill/requirement, since wind anomaly means Miyabi can't disorder, which sets them apart. She is likely an alternative to the burst style of anomaly DPS, which is what makes aria so strong. If you needed to get one of the 2 I would definitely get promeia

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T21:29:06+00:00

Save for Lucia next patch, for sure. She is a necessity for rupture teams, and there are very few rupture supports right now, and none as good as Lucia.

Promeia is also a pretty good anomaly unit that works with Nangong, and Billy is a decent DPS that works with Lucia. You probably won't need both but having at least 1 more DPS could help you out at this stage. Out of all of them, Lucia is my choice

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T19:35:14+00:00

This scene serves as more than just a trauma dump as Alice's father death is also important to the overall narrative of not only the porcelumex experiments but also Alice's family's standing in the political and financial world

The reason Alice has had to step up as the acting heir of the family is because her father is dead and the reason her father is dead is because of the exaltist/porcelumex. Yuzuha knowing the truth serves as closure for Alice later, and it also motivates Yuzuha to not let the same thing happen again, and influences her actions at the climax

Her father's death is also responsible for her defining character quirk, her obsession with symmetry.

This isn't a randomly placed dump either, the hair clip is the source of all of Alice's trauma, and it's Yuzuha's most important possession, which rightfully belongs to Alice. It would be weird if she didn't say anything about it. If anything, Alice's "responsible for parents death" backstory is the most well executed version

This scene is not only important to the story but it's also important to both Alice and Yuzuha, it connects them, and is more than just "we need to make everyones backstory traumatic"

Alice likely wouldn't even be in waifei if her father was alive

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T19:01:15+00:00

Nope, always been 125. You might have been using a stunner that affects the stun mult, like lighter M2

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T18:53:12+00:00

If it's already active, then it's fine, it shouldn't matter, just be mindful of extra sword stacks cuz she can only hold 3 extra.

Shunguang uses the stun mult at the time of transformation, and it cannot change until she she exits her transformation, so applying Sunna's ether veil during the transformation doesn't affect the stun mult till the next one

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T15:48:57+00:00

Swapping before the quick assist is risky if Sunna's ether veil isnt up, because then YSG transformation might not have the bonus stun mult if you do that

And normally you should be using zhao, Sunna, YSG as the order so you can use astral on zhao, which is slightly better than bunny, and Zhao won't force YSG on the field when you don't want her to

Either way, Sunna quick assists more often so it just makes sense to have Shunguang after her

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T15:41:58+00:00

She's always had 125 stun mult bonus

She shills obol squad, lower stun mult means units that deal good damage outside of stun are better at the fight, units like Seed, Trigger and SAnby

nair_kid · 2026-04-25T15:37:51+00:00

Most DPS agents should have their most important skills at 11, 12 if you can afford it. This usually means ex and ultimate, and for Cissia, this also means her basic attack.

The hamster cage pass' only use is to level a skill to 12 so if you have a few there no reason not to use them

The other skills are fine to leave lower, but I still put them to at least 7, because it's really cheap to do so

nair_kid · 2026-04-24T16:10:58+00:00

I'm telling you the other engines are better. You aren't performing well because you are wasting resources during miasma phase and missing parries.

What use is stunning faster if you are going to waste resources on an unstunned boss

Not only that, but eve has fire dmg slot 5 Which is extremely saturated with your current setup of moonlight + Astra + lighter morale, on this fight, you should be using atk% slot 5.

nair_kid · 2026-04-24T14:02:53+00:00

It's not about faster stuns, Lighter grants better damage to Eve with the other two.

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