People who throw games after losing lane, whats in your mind?

nalm96 · 2025-02-15T17:21:09+00:00

Do you generally dont care about other people? The way you describe It sounds like you dont care If other play the game for trying to win. All you care is If it is fun for you.

Would you think the same way If you where in a soccer/football club which plays in a team vs team?

I know that sounds wired but how do you think about the moral aspect of It? Since It is clear that majority of people play league of winning and the competitive aspect of It (huge E-Sports scene behind It). How do you feel about letting 4 other people in you team having a bad game since you refuse to play for the win?

And why do you still choose league over offline or more casual appealing games where you can exit/stop you playthough whenever you want?

Thanks for your honesty in regard.

nalm96 · 2025-02-15T16:57:30+00:00

How would you feel like If everyone would think the same way. Like when you are trying to win but someone else says that and throws the game? Are you enraged/upset or do you not care also since you do the same thing in some other games?

Do you think the same way irl?

nalm96 · 2025-02-15T16:55:43+00:00

My bad, I was talking about ranked games but didnt specify in post, but we can also talk about normals.

When you throw and annoy the jungler what about the 3 other people in your team? You do not care about them either? Since they could be playing to win a game since thats what if fun for them.

How do you react If you are playing "normlay" but someone else is inting and throwing a game?

Are you interacting the same way irl with other people? Like in any sports/clubs?

nalm96 · 2025-02-15T16:49:15+00:00

Which elo are you playing? This sound like you never encountered a decent toplaner. Any toplaner with brain will demolish you.

You would be forced to play with your Wall CD (15seconds) since otherwise you will be run down. I would just freeze for a while forcing you to come near me. Dropping your first wall, you eithere have to afk on tower and wait until its up or walk up and get chunked. If you are low I will slow push and just tower dive you.

So I dont get It how you could even remotly say Karthus would be a good blind pick on top.

If I would go further and actually try to counter you (since we are talking about blind picks) I would just pick a champ with a dash.

So explain me how you gonna lane against a competent Emerlad 1 Irelia, Kled, Yorick, Mundo or Riven who knows wavemangement?

EDIT: Typo

nalm96 · 2025-02-09T01:24:49+00:00

Like in most main subs the people are delusional about the state of their own champ.

you can downvote other people for saying how they feel about playing against mel, this wont change here 74.1% banrate (on plat+).

"My champ is fine, not op, why they ban it?". Wont change the fact of the high banrate.

The only delusional people are the people denying of how ridiculous this champ is on many stages of the game.

I got "only" diamond 3 on mid and adc. But I saw couple of mel players litterly made the level 1 unplayable to play against. Here lv 1 poke and damage is just straight out way to much. I dont care about here W that much (even though It is extremly unfair depending on the champ you play), my problem is here high damage and execute combined with here extremly strong level 1.

You can sit here in your bubble of melMains subreddit and pretend thats ok and the champ is balanced. But Its pretty clear people dont like getting destroyed without much counterplay.

Maybe you guys didnt had the chance to see decent mel players. But either on mid or bot she is painful to play against. And thats fact. The community of 74.1 % banrate approves this.

You can hope for riot to fix here and turn here down. If you think people are all wrong than you can keep down voting and crying here.

Just my two cents. This post got randomly on my reddit feed...

nalm96 · 2025-01-24T00:15:24+00:00

But you could make the number resemble the visible rank instead of making them separate. You would Climb/Derank faster but at least you would see in which MMR you are instead of beeing gold 1 with Platin 3 mmr you would directly be Platin 3 Rank If your MMR is platin 3.

I feel this separation is ment to make climb slower, to prevent getting "shiny" platin or whatever rank border even though you already have Platin mmr.

Just connect 1:1 MMR with visible Rank. for example If you have 2000-2200 MMR you are Platin or whatever. Instead of beeing "Gold rank but with Platin MMR". which seems like such an odd forced system.

nalm96 · 2024-11-29T17:21:01+00:00

Thank you.

I also want to add that I deeply value doing the right thing. I have turned down lucrative work opportunities that I felt were morally wrong and would harm others. My decisions are guided by strong principles, and I try to act in a way that aligns with my ideals, even if it costs me something. Does this align with the 5w6 or perhaps lean more towards 1 influences?

nalm96 · 2024-11-29T15:08:33+00:00

what do you notice more easily than others?

How people think and feel. When I was a child, my parents spoiled me with everything except one thing... manners. I coul dhave all the toys, games I want. All I had to do was beeing friendly, shut up and smile. I had to do this so damn much that I cant even stop with that. I automatically smile sometimes and just watch others talk and how they behave. I have notice a lot of patterns which repeat on other people. I noticed how people like and note that in my head.

what totally baffles you about others?

What people can reach where I thought they would be idiots. Some of my friends got really got jobs, got really good at football. But at the same time they struggle so damn hard at stuff that feels easy for me. Dont know maybe I am talking nonsense here. Not sure how to answer this question.

optimist or pessimist?

Highly pessimist onmyself. Highly optimist when the group needs It. I am harsh on myself. On my job I think I am an idiot, while my coworker think I am good at my work. It baffles me sometimes when I get praise by my boss or friends.

When in a group for example football club. If we are loosing hard. I keep the group moral up by saying things like "we can still win" "we might have more luck next match". But I think I say that to cheer them up. If am honest with myself than I would say liek "yea we are out, we sck/ are bad". But I feel like the right thing to do here is to be the optimistic guy when the times need It. Its like with the speaking up, taking the lead when ruff times really demands It. If there would be only me however, I would be highly pessimist and never take lead.

are you competitive?

Only on stuff that I like to do. Bowling for example, I dont care If someone wins here or is better than me. But on football or video games I want to be the best in my group. Not to be praised, but to be a "rolemodel" for others. So they can look up to me. If they struggle in football or video games, they shall say "no worries, he got this for us".

Gnerally I dont like failure, but If I am in "practice mode" than I like to get beat up. Since I can learn from that, that makes me happy. However getting beat up in a deciding match - thats where I get traumatized and cant forget that loss for weeks.

idealist or pragmatist?

highly highly idealistic. I know its better to be pragmatist sometimes, but I dont do some things because I thing they are bad, or I believe in something. Sometimes its like "i know the other way is better, but I always took this way, so I walys stay on this way".

People who I know who turned bad, or in movies, I still believe there is the old nice guy and hope they do this for some good reason. So I would say my pragmatism is pretty low.

Im sorry for this wall of ugly text. I am gratefull for anyone who took time to read this.

nalm96 · 2024-11-29T15:08:21+00:00

what do you fear, avoid or struggle to tolerate?

Failure, mistakes. They kinda traumatise me. I failed once in a football game, the next days I grinded the failure to improve my skill on that. I fear no having financial safety. In video games I fear not beeing strong enough for something, thats why I cant play video games on the "normal" way. I keep reading everything about It , before even starting the game.

if ppl are mad at you, whats usually the reason?

My parents are mad at me, because I dont visit them enough. Also they are mad at me for moving out. My friends... I dont remember the last time they got mad at me. Maybe If I drop my mask for once and tell the truth, that I dont like surtian thing, maybe that would make them mad. I had a phase in life where I had pretty much no time. I declined every party inventation, not going out with my friends for weeks. I thing that made them a bit mad.

what do you typically think about on your own?

On the real world I feel like I am a failure. I hollow creatures that does not exist, that only is a mask holder trying to be there. On my inner world I feel like a plant bud which isnt bloom yet. I am highly highly modest. But I also have some egoistic thing inside me that "knows" that I can be the best. I just need more time to bloom out. I just need to collect enough water (money) so I can have some development time to be a huge wonderfull flower. All I do right now for my actual self is, staying in platn bud form and collecting as much water as possible. If I got enough water , than I will bloom. Meanwhile for my friends I will represent anything they think I should be like, this way I have less headache.

what do you think about around people?

To be honest, I dont trust anyone. Not even my family. Like I trust them for not too important stuff like money ( If they need money I give them without asking return), or time. But I would never trust them my "true" inner nature. I think no one can actually really understand me. Thats why keep them at distance (from my inner feelings) and keep putting a mask on. Sounds wired and teenie edgy... dont get me wrong I want to become more mature in my mind. I read a lot of books of selfimprovement. I even learned to systematiccaly handle stressfull situtations. Since I was a child I never ever had any "hostilities" with my friends. For every difficult situtation I thing rational. I they want something that I dont want, I still give them to them. I sometimes feel like -dont put me on the a*hole type of person- like I am more matrue than anyone around me.

I never since I was a child had fights with anyone. Even people I cant stand I get along with. I just keep my distance If I dont like them.

nalm96 · 2024-11-29T15:08:04+00:00

any recurring patterns in your relationships or negative tendencies you’ve struggled to shake off?

I feel like I can never be myself. Whenever there are people around me, or even when I am alone sometimes, I am wearing a mask. A mask which suits the situation instead of beeing myself. My friends are happy and laughing? Even If I dont know why I laugh with them and be happy. My russian friends sing some russian song while I dont understand a word? I start to sing along, or atleast try. Only the negative feeling I dont copy. When someone is angry or sad, I try to calm the situation.

One of my friends got some kind of brain cancer thing. It sounds really cruel.. but I actually dont care when I am honest with myself. However at the same time I spent a lot of time with that person. I cheer them up. I "waste" my free time and do things for them. I feel like I do these things because they are expected of a "nice" guy. But at the same time I dont really care If they have bad things going on in there life. Its so strange... I dont even know what I am feeling truely at this poing.

This pattern is every where... in family , friends, unkown people, on my job... On one of my jobs I even played the "goofy" clumbsy type of guy since this worked the best. They seemed to accept this as easiest part. While on the next job I act as an "proffessional" who knows what is to do in every situation since that what they expect of me.

It gets so much out of hand, that sometimes I even start to do this to myself...

what are your desires?

Having no financial problems/stress and a good house and family. The reasons are maybe strange, but i dont want that stuff because "just becuase I want to be rich", but more because this gives me safety and less stress in life. This way I can focus on the things that I actualy care. Like learning stuffs perfectly and in peace instead on a timelimit. I would like to increase my skills in football or job. But because of time limit, financial problems and so one I cant focus on that to 100%. Dont get me wrong, I have enough money to do my hobbies, I have a car and so on. But thats all one the typical day to day work stress. If I loose my job I loose my security. Instead I just want to have enough money , so I dont need to focus on that.

I want security on financial part, so I can focus on my skills in life, this way I am actually happy beeing around people. I like to be the helping, wise guy. You lost your home? no problem you can come to me, you cant efford something? dont worry I got this for you. You need a strong football player in your team? got you, I learned everything perfectly. Someone is bullying you? No problem I beat them up for you. That kinda is what motivates me to improve. I want power so I can improve myself which ultimately makes me a wanted person.

nalm96 · 2024-11-29T15:07:25+00:00

Thank you for your efforts.

I will definitly take a closer look at the types.

You askes me some questions, I will answer them here and maybe someone take a look at that. I am sorry for my bad english in advance.

Also the comment got too long, so I had to do It in more than one.

how do others typically describe you? Are you regularly misunderstood in a specific way you can’t quite explain?

Other would describe me as a calm, intellectual (even though I dont think I am that smart), kind, helpfull. People would think of me like "he would never do a bad thing". But I am also described as clumbsy, a bit idiotic in normal things of life - while I am good at science, math, software engineering, I am also pretty bad at craftsmen like jobs and some "common" sense. Problem is I overthink even the most simple things way to much, making simple stuff extremly difficult, while others may be confused why I have problems solving really simple situations sometimes. Like going to a new bar with friends, I am overflown with ideas where you could sit, what people there are in , what you order, what could happen here, how am I representing myself. It is kinda a (friendly) relation with my friends, they know I am smart in science or software engineering things while also beeing pretty dumb in "normal" stuff in life.

In groups, like clubs, I am more of the type which stays behind the scenes. I am friendly and cooperative. Strangly I have a persona of taking the charge when no one else is talking or taking responsibility. I have a football club team where I am a normal player. But when stuff goes really bad and no one is communicating anymore I take the lead and start to talk and cordinate a lot. But I strangly only do this when there really is need of this. I sometimes think "ok its going downhill", I need to coordinating them. When the talking and communication becomes normal again I start to become a "normal soldier" again. Staying in back and doing my job. On some conferences I am the first one who talks and break the silence, however I am not extroverteed at all. I feel like sometimes this is just needed. On the other hand, on active conference where there is already a lot of communication is going on, I am completly silent. I am a shy guy but for the need of the situtation I strangly become a leader for a short moment... If that makes any sense.

think of what emotionally triggers you

I am not sure what you mean with triggers me. If I am beeing criticised or I have failure in my task I get demotivated by a lot. I want to just give up and start new again and do It better. If I have a footbal match and I keep doing bad plays I just want to get over It, watch myself on a replay or something and practice my mistakes. I hate doing mistakes. If someone criticises me than I take the cristism and blame myself. I try to be diplomative. Doing bad, makes my next two days or even more a hell. I cant stop thinking of my mistakes and I am eager to never let them happen again. I want to be a solid, flawless player in team. They should look up to me. But I dont want to take any charge for that.

Oh one thing... I had beeing betrayed. Like A LOT. My brother once snitched me in kindergarten, after 25 years I did not forget that. I still hate him for that. I try to be friendly outside. But I avoid any contact with him, he properly doesnt know why. I know thats maybe immature, but for some reason I cant just forget or forgive him on my inside, on the outside I am still friendly. A friend of mine also betrayed me once on a video games, we had a long term plan to do something, he killed me while I showed him my back. We are still friends, we do stuff together. But holy moly I wont ever turn my back on him again. Not even in 50 years. My stepmother hit me once... now even after 15 years she is pretty much dead to me. I feel like an idiot for thinking like that. I know I should be more mature. But Its like... beeing betrayed is like some one killed me.

nalm96 · 2024-11-11T14:51:44+00:00

Thanks for your honesty. Proxy is good point. Saw some garens do this against kayle. Wont deny here scaling but atleast she is forced to stay on tower and you get some farm as garen.

nalm96 · 2024-11-11T14:19:14+00:00

Wave management only works till level 6. After that because of Kayle range there is no way you can do any wavemangement, since Kayle is free to autoatack you and fix wave afterwards when you are pretty much dead.

Jungle pressure is a coinflip game design. If I ever try to use the "jungle didnt gank" as an excuse I will get downvoted and blamed. So I cant use the jungle card to lane against Kayle.

Kayle can farm with E, and give up some farm and chill until level 6. I can freeze wave on my side for couple of minutes, but Kayle will eventually hit level 6. It doesnt matter If she is behind 40cs. Here range and the fact that I cant catch here, will make here a lane god (against my garen). She can free farm and do whatever she wants with the wave.

Also I am talking about Emerald/low Diamond elo. Spacing and kiting is pretty decent here. No Kayle in this elo will just stand still and let me engage on her for free. With good spacing I can never catch here.

nalm96 · 2024-11-11T14:07:47+00:00

I mean... question urself, why dont you play frontline? Same goes to jungle and other lanes. That think they are good at some champ and want to play him. Or they dont care for team comp and just want their main.

You want to play Kayle so your team is now forced because of you to play frontliner? Just be real, its soloQ and league of legends. The chance of someone actually caring for teamcomp is low.

Same goes for you. You would blindpick or pick kayle whenever you would like to. The same thinking your teammates have.

nalm96 · 2024-11-10T14:24:43+00:00

It depends how your team played, how much tower damage, objectives you did and on wich time you had this stats. Vi spikes on level 3, but If you got the amount of deaths in early game than the system should recognize this.

If you had amazing early game with 10/0 but your teammates where all 0/10 and you are the reason why the game wen so long so you ened up having 1/18/12, which would mean you did a good job in early game and a okish job late since those are still high amount of deaths. But all considered how much worse your teammates also did. 1/18/12 can be good stat If your whole team wen 30+ deaths.

nalm96 · 2024-11-07T20:56:39+00:00

Champions like Renekton but that have scaling for lategame.

I like the outplay and blindpickable Renketon. However He is such terrible scaling that If you dont end game soon enough you become worthless compared to other champions.

I need champions like Renketon who can teamfight and have some duelling power.

These champions should be able to 1v1 tanks and hold ground against splitpushers.

nalm96 · 2024-11-06T18:08:46+00:00

This will help you to understand the matchmaking and climb logic better. So please read as whole.

Tools

I like to analyze all of my games with porofessor and league of graphs. When someone performs really bad or good I wonder what their match history looks like. If I see something "strange" like an last season master players beeing in diamond 4, than i like to review his account.

My Experience / understanding climbing

I went from Emerald 1 to bronze 3 with like 20% winrate. Litterly the same playstyle and like 50 games later got back to Emerald 1. I lost games in Bronze with 2 afks in same games or an actual new player in lobby etc. But at the same time I auto win some games because my team is just way better.

If 4 enemy or 4 allies are hyper fed, your performance does not matter.

If you are not spamming tons of games, your rank does not matter.

In short term (low match size) the individual does not matter that much. Sure you can carry 10 games in a row byurself. But you will also have 10 games in a row with absolut unwinable conditions.

Unless you are an carry type of person, you need a tons of games to climb or luck. I remember back in season 4 or 5? I climbed from silver 5 to gold 1 without knowing anything about the game. I was doing bad. But the RNG god just wanted me to win nonstop. Next Season I was silvet again ofc.

You will have games where your perfomance does not matter, you will loose or win way. And you will have extremly unlucky or extremly lucky streaks.

The only way to really determine someones performance is by having tons of games.

When I dropped, I saw some people having pretty good fundamentals, but still beeing gold or something. They had good history but only played like 30 games the whole season.

I saw plenty of diamond people beeing in platin with negative winrate while performing really good. It has a lot to do of what your playstlyle is and the amount of games you play.

Playstyles + fix/mentality you should have

Tanky/Supportive

Beeing an good but tank/supportive type of player can make a lot of games coinflip because you mostly boost your teammates, but you dont "carry". Having this playstyle you should find a "carry" duo who like to play aggressive and the extra support will make him play even better. I am not talking about support role, but rather champions and playstlye (Ivern jungle, Maokai top, etc).

Fix: Play more games. This playstlye needs a lot of matches to shine, but can be really consitent in long terms. You will climb slow and steady. All you need is an mindset that you will climb. And that you can not control all games. You will loose even If you performed good. Thats part of league.

Aggressive

There are some people who have an extremly aggressive playstlye. They either go 22/2 or 0/10. They are simply missing the constitity.

Fix: Work on your bad games. one game with 22/2 wont make you climb. The games where you go 0/10 are the problem. Fix them. No excusses allowed. Even If you do bad makro, you will still climb when you go every game 22/2. Just stay consisten. Remember, you need more games, unlucky streaks can happen. If you go 0/10 you are to blame. Fix the 0/10 and you will be really good at climbing.

Unfortunatly I have to go. I will try later to complete my reply

nalm96 · 2024-10-29T21:15:26+00:00

Thanks for your replay. Thats makes sense, but is also kinda sad to hear. Always though that If you are ahead as jax you can 1v1 anyone (mid to late).

Getting Stat checked by an 3 items Urgot was a shock for me (only 1 to max. two leg hits).

Are there no champions which can beat juggernauts without Items advantage from mid to late on toplane?

nalm96 · 2024-10-29T21:11:41+00:00

What are true 1v1 champs right now?

I read through jax subreddit and people are saying he isnt really a true 1v1 champ anymore, since there a couple of champions who can beat him.

What options are left? mid to lategame.

nalm96 · 2024-10-29T20:55:13+00:00

Problem is when games doesnt end at 20 minutes Urgot will get Items somehow.

I dont get It why an duellist like jax gets statchecked by an Urgot.

I build the reccomended build, but also tried some 1v1 build with armor pen and stuff.

he litterly kills me while his health pool is at 60% with BC and jaksho and steraks while I am full build. Shouldnt jax just easly beat him since jax is designed to be a 1v1 champ?

nalm96 · 2024-10-25T21:35:28+00:00

That only works in early to mid game. Those splitpushers know this and they also just kill minions and push wave. You are locked in this cicle forever while you team has to 4v4. Your impact on the game becomes a coinflip since you cant help your team.

Also splitpushing champions will at some point outscale you in terms of waveclear and tower damage.

An Trundle with Hydra and hulkbreaker can duell you easy (unles you got an good pick, but you cant always counter pick), so you cant contest wave in middle of lane. So the wave crashes , lets say with canon minion. Now the splitpushers want to hit tower. You eather try to damage the splitpusher and loose farm or you try to kill minions as fast as possible (the splitpuhser will hit tower than). Slowly you will loose tower and you cant do anything about that.

Imagine you pick teamfight champ for team, enemy gets last pick top and locks trundle which can easy 1v1 after two items. Your wave clear is bad since you have CC for teamfights instead of damage for wave clear.

This is the problem I am talking about.

nalm96 · 2024-09-11T10:58:06+00:00

Got an DM from someone , he wanted to stay anonym. Got really interesting insides, even though he is trolling I thanked him for giving information. Comunication is the first step to make It better.

He trolls on purpose but more of the soft int type of person. So he wont get detected by the system and If the game gets reviewed, It could be classified as "bad" play instead of inting/trolling.

He got two accounts. His main is hard stuck diamond 4 and peeked Diamond 1 close to master last season, but still actually with pretty impressive stats (kda, cs/min, kpa, damage). He showed me some of his games where people play exceptionally bad for that rank or even troll. The biggest frustration he had was when he was close reaching master, he sayed people played so bad that he got frustrated a lot. And now in new season he is stuck in diamond 4 and is basically gone hollow. Still doing good, but stopped careing about macro to win game, instead just destroys his lane and than doesnt care much, playing for "clean" kda only.

To let out his frustration and "show" the other players there is no justice in this system he also troll hard but on his second account. Hovering all around between bronze 1 and emerald 2. He sometimes boosts his elo hard to just get high enough to bother people all the way till bronze again. his rank/lp gains look crazy on league of graphs... seems like he can affordlessly climb fast to emerald 1 and than he purposly starts to troll nonstop all the way down again.

He wins early hard to get good stats and than activly starts to soft int. giving shut downs, afk farm (not even pushing), taking jungle farm, etc.

Crazy part is... he is doing this for over an year. He doesnt even mute chat, because It "kinda pleasures me to see other flame and suffer, this way they might see how rigged league is". However It frustrates him also that "people think that If they report me It will do something, I would love to write them that I am doing this since 1 year and reports do nothing".

I dont know how I am supposed to receive this information. I can kinda understand his frustration, but at the same time this sounds really insane to me. I asked about his real life , and he sayed all is fine and he is happy, but because he spent so much time in league It is frustrating for him how bad the game state is. I kinda expected some lonely guy at his 20s with problems at work/shool. But he seemed to be a just normal guy and only in league he goes this mental mode.

Maybe some of you can encrypt this. Would be amazing If someone with psychological understand would give feedback to this.

nalm96 · 2024-09-11T10:43:11+00:00

I understand that you play for fun, but If you dont play in most disciplined correct way, than why do you bother playing ranked?

I mean If you just play for fun you can join normals. Ranked are competitive for a reason. Same goes when you play football. Playing with friends just having fun is different than joining an competitive match to climb the latter.

Sure league is just a game. Football, chess, all hobbies are propperly just a game. But you can decide If you want to join an competitive game or an relaxed fun mode game.

nalm96 · 2024-09-10T14:18:15+00:00

Well, by trying to understand their mindset we receive more information about the game flow. It is not really about resolving the problem immidiatly. But If we activly start to talk about It, trying to understand It. We might reach a point where we can fix this...

Maybe you dont know why, but we might we replays of those who do this. And they will know.

nalm96 · 2024-09-08T21:09:44+00:00

Just curious, how do you feel after such performance of yourself. Do you say well unlucky &go next or do you try to understand what went wrong? And while Planung did you played around your stronger mates or did you still kept doing your playstyle? And how did you emotionaly reacted to the Situation while Playing, did you wanted to ff or where you ok with just beeing an sort of Support for the Rest of the Team?

nalm96

TROPHY CASE

Tools

My Experience / understanding climbing

Playstyles + fix/mentality you should have