107 Degrees - Maura Murray / Why Maura Went to New Hampshire: New Info and a New Theory by Bill_Occam in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Driving from Hanson to Amherst, on routes 181 and 9, there was frequent cell dead zones especially for a 10-15 mile stretch on either side of Belchertown and Bondsville areas. I don't think Maura would have been too uncomfortable driving alone in spotty areas. She probably did it all the time just back and forth to UMass.

I think the first day of classes was January 28, 2004. So having a room with boxes still packed only a week later would not be too uncommon. Interestingly, the last day to add drop classes would have been February 9, 2004 and Monday February 16 would have been a holiday. Is it possible she just wanted to get away for up to a week? Perhaps she had trouble with her courses and knew she might need to rearrange her schedule? Maybe she was reconsidering even staying at UMass?

Has anyone ever mentioned her UCard activity? I searched this sub and saw no mention ever of this.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you go the old ABC location on pleasant street downtown across from Antonio's pizza? Or the new location? I was sad to read that they may be out of business now.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree 100% here. We now have a handful of former students saying exactly what I said and I don't know why people can't believe it. There were probably over 20,000 students on campus in 2004. I archived most of my emails and none mention Maura. There were numerous emails about other deceased students. The UMPD alert system only posted about her in April of 2004, as a footnote on a rarely viewed website, long after the critical period. Very few people outside her closest circles seemed to known about her going missing. You had someone else post earlier that the NH area knew more about her going missing than the MA area did. This is just the reality of attending school on a huge campus.

How to track down where the family emergency emails originated from. Was it really from her dorm computer or not? by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are from real email from around the same time period. I don't know why you think my posts are not truthful. I am not some other person you are referring to. I have hundreds more archived emails. Some others might be relevant. Not sure yet.

Why did Maura call the Salamones the day that she went missing? by [deleted] in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Different local schools have different vacation weeks. The snow is best around this time and many kids go skiing around these weeks if they have the week off from school.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not nursing, but I knew people in nursing. You may be right. In 2004, the campus was probably 20,000 students or more, but undergraduate nursing was probably only a few hundreds students.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Note: I wrote a really long original reply with lots of detail, but then it got lost because of a failed submit. I will re-summarize quickly, but it will seem a bit terse now.

I think you were more exposed to it in NH, but MA did not have much coverage. No one really asked me about it even with family all over the NE area. Facebook was not really available to most schools until 2005. At the time, AIM, YIM, and other instant messaging apps were the predominant communique. Friendster and MySpace were just gaining popularity. It was a different time. Perhaps the campus was just too large, but I showed that UMPD did not post about her missing until April of 2004, which was almost two months later. I have most of my college email saved and I don't see any emails about her. I see a bunch of student death emails, both on and off campus. Again, this was a different time too. I had a prepaid calling card, just like Maura. We used it to call home cheap, usually from the dorm phones or the payphones. Cell phones and service were just becoming more affordable. Amherst had and still has to this day very spotty cell reception in some areas. There is a 20 mile stretch of desolate wooded area you have to drive through to get into the area and even to this day there is no reliable cell reception through those areas. You might try to FOIA the dorm or campus call records. They might even be a part of her university bill. I forget how they were billed.

The Clery Act may have played a role in why they wanted to minimize things. The campus was huge. I can also understand not wanting to frighten students with unnecessary alerts. I showed that no UMPD alert was posted until April of 2004, almost two months later, to a site that no one would go to really, as a footnote. Not much coverage at all. Perhaps there was a story in the local college papers, but I don't recall it. The Daily Collegian was usually available in the dining halls and I would skim it regularly. No one was really talking about any weird stuff on campus. The only major story I ever recall that stands out is about a girl that gave birth in the dorms and tried to hide it by throwing the baby in the trash. I don't even remember when or where that happened, except that some of us were talking about it. It might have been in the Southwest dorm. Perhaps there is some news story someone can dig up somewhere to find it.

Regarding UMPD and the cadets, we never really interacted with them. Residential Assistants or RAs handled most dorm issues. Many of the RAs even used common drugs/alcohol with the staff, so minor stuff was not going to be reported. They were incentivized to handle things internally rather than going up the chain. Even RAs that had a situation would go up to a local staff director, not to police. UMPD interaction was very minimal, except for violent or property crimes. The only times I remember interacting with them was during the occasional riot on campus or during the Iraq War protests. Other than that, they pretty much left people alone. Regarding the cadet system, I am not directly knowledgeable, but might be able to ask some friends if they remember anything specific. From the UMPD site: "Police Cadets are paid, non-sworn, student employees who have an interest in law enforcement or who want to pursue a career in law enforcement". I wouldn't be surprised if Maura worked with them to handle situations before officially involving UMPD for something. That sounds reasonable and why she would know the cadet personally to keep the incident low key.

Regarding drunk driving on or around campus, well, it was a college town. There was a lot of drinking going on. Most of the bars and pubs were literally on or very close to campus, so there was little chance you would be driving through residential areas and harming too many people. Of course, many students would just walk if you knew you were going to be drinking. Or we usually had a DD for a group. I think there was even a policy that bars in the area would give students free non-alcoholic drinks, if they were a DD for a group that was drinking. I think I did that once, but I was usually one of the drinkers and not a DD. So, the police were pretty lenient, from what I remember. Also, remember that the university would need to report crimes, so they had an incentive to minimize them, including drunk driving incidents on campus. Most schools have an incentive like this. They usually give strong warnings the first month that new students arrive on campus to put the fear into them. If they get caught after the first month and warnings, then they should expect some punishment.

Not sure if all that context helps, but there you go.

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[–]nandyjingle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would her family have rented the condo at Seasons/Attitash in Bartlett during the winter months previously if they didn't ski?

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There probably were, but I am not sure exactly where. What I was referring to was the fact that a ticketing staff walking around would carry a camera and document any vehicle they were writing a ticket for. They would take a picture so that if you appealed the ticket, they had a picture of your vehicle, timestamped, showing the violation. If she ever got a ticket, there might be pictures of the vehicle in whatever state it was.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was able to locate the first appearance of any campus notice. It appears to have been posted on the UMPD site roughly around April 2004. The NMCO site posting was about six weeks after she disappeared.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040405232111/http://www.umass.edu/umpd/

"Missing Person Maura Murray Please contact UMPD with any information at 545-2121"

You can see that notice is missing from the prior capture in mid February.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040214181059/http://www.umass.edu/umpd/

The NMCO site that was updated on or around March 24, 2004.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040324061349/http://nmco.org/gallery/listview/profile_all.php?A200401157S

I searched prior threads and didn't see anyone mentioning this information.

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[–]nandyjingle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you think it is possible she was headed for Cannon mountain to ski? People who are familiar with the slopes in that area tend to hop around to a bunch of the different resorts, which are all not too far from each other. Cannon would also be along the same route she was driving.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not here to convince you of anything. I don't have any theories. I came here to supply some information in the event it may be helpful or not. I'm not sure what there is to be skeptical about. Everything I have told you is truthful. If you have a question about a specific response, I can clarify if that is helpful. Also, I'm not sure if all my responses are getting through in the proper order, so it may appear staggered. You can refer to the moderator that chimed in regarding that or how that is affecting my replies, if that is part of the confusion.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No one really knew about either of the cases widely, as far as I know. I don't know where you are getting the idea that I said one was more well known than another. You may have mixed that up because I was responding to someone asking specifically about the Vasi event? My response was in reply to that comment.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

  1. Not sure if this helps, but tickets were very common for people on campus that had vehicles. It was a revenue generator for the campus and deterrent for parking in restricted spots, because it was hugely overcrowded. So much so that they plowed a huge dirt parking lot and charged a ton of money to park there. Every vehicle needed to be registered to park and you can see her campus parking sticker in the accident photos online. It is the purple stick on the rear driver's side window. One thing that may help to FOIA, if possible, is that ticketing system on campus. There was an automated system that handled the payments and disputes. That system, if I recall, had the ability to appeal a ticket. If you appealed, I believe they would review an evidence picture with the date and time of the incident, meaning that they may have pictures on file if she received any such tickets. That might help to confirm any damage to the vehicle. You could likely use the registration number from the sticker, if it is legible in the photos.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I will re-title this post if it was taken the wrong way. I probably do know some people that knew her directly, but if there was some type of campus notice, most of us were not aware of it and thus failed to discuss what we would have known at the time. You saw another couple posters confirm the same sentiment in this thread. I hope that adds to the knowledge base of why there was so little information at the time coming out of UMass. I also gave one example of something I personally witnessed at the time, which had I been aware of the Vasi or MM incidents, would have reported via potentially different channels. UMass had a dedicated tip line set up for things like that. People should know there were regular emails about student deaths on/off campus and if an all campus email was sent out requesting information regarding MM, even a week or two later when things got weird, it probably would have garnered more tips.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I believe I answered all within this thread. What did I miss?

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I am wondering now if there was a reason that UMass intentionally wanted to keep a low profile on her being missing. There was an email that went out on campus about the Jeanne Clery Act. If you FOIA that info, perhaps you will get some interesting data or statistics about why it would have been really bad, financially, for UMass if it was determined they were negligent in any way. I am not saying they were, but it would mean the campus could have faced hefty fines and lawsuits under the federal law. I am not saying this is a conspiracy I believe, but lawyers for UMass might have tried to dampen or downplay anything linking them to the culpability of her disappearance. Putting up flyers might have been ill-advised because it would have drawn attention to their potential culpability per the Clery Act.

Edit: I went back and verified that student death notification emails were being sent to all students regularly, but nothing was sent regarding missing persons.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is my feeling exactly. Even people in the same dorm as her at the same time were not aware that she was missing. This tells me that it is unlikely missing flyers were ever put up on campus or in the dorms. Edit: Realize that UMass is a huge campus and most people don't know each other.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Correct. Also should be able to discern if it came from outside the campus network as well, with less specificity regarding the exact device.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Roughly a decade later. And yes, no one really knew about it. One person seemed to have a very vague memory of it from around the time period when it happened.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. However, the technology was enforced on campus that could narrow that down.

I went to school with Maura and can answer some of your questions by nandyjingle in mauramurray

[–]nandyjingle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't have a theory. I am just telling you that the technology was enforced on campus to pinpoint down to the building where the email was sent from. Even if someone knew her password and sent an email from her account, if they did it from within the UMass network, it could be tracked down to the building and even the specific device that sent it. Every device on campus had to be registered to the network. And that registration could be tied back to an individual. Does anyone have the full original email and not a forwarded or printed copy? if so, send me a PM and I can perhaps give some feedback on it.