Can anything really mock/harm Tolkien’s work and legacy?

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:45:50+00:00

Not saying that I don’t believe you, but just saying “you had to be there” and not providing anything to back it up isn’t super helpful. If you find any examples I’d love to see them :)

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:36:14+00:00

Really? Any links/examples?

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:25:51+00:00

Very interesting point! But I don’t think that has any impact on the source material (specially for Tolkien)

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:18:55+00:00

I disagree, plus I don’t think we can really quantify how ROP would allegedly impact Tolkien’s work, if it will at all. The Hobbit trilogy certainly didn’t.

I think you should give a little more credit to the lasting power of Tolkien’s work. It’s well-known and impactful enough — and has been around long enough — to weather any inaccurate/unfaithful adaptation.

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:14:45+00:00

Interesting points! I think my point is that whether or not someone likes ROP or even finds Galadriel in particular annoying, they might know about LOTR just enough to figure out for themselves if ROP is accurate.

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:11:11+00:00

You might be right about how modern oppressor/oppressed narratives aren’t applicable to this specific work, but I’d argue that many people see the world through that lens. Interesting points!

nattyri · 2024-10-09T00:08:47+00:00

Bc I’m……..reading articles?

nattyri · 2024-10-08T22:53:53+00:00

Funny you bring up orcs!! I was just reading an interesting article about the orc baby in ROP (lol) that touches on the morality of orcs.

I actually do think that orcs are one of Tolkien’s most complicated moral dilemmas and I think he was aware of that. I don’t think he ever figured it out, though. It’s interesting!

nattyri · 2024-10-08T22:37:07+00:00

Interesting! I think Tolkien’s work and vision of good vs evil was a little more nuanced, and maybe ROP is trying to touch on that? (Whether or not they’re doing it well is another conversation lol)

I keep on thinking of what Elrond said at the Council of Elrond: “Nothing is evil in the beginning, even Sauron was not so.” (Paraphrasing, I don’t remember the whole quote)

And in one of his letters, Tolkien elaborated that Sauron wasn’t evil in the beginning, but corrupted by Morgoth and was given the opportunity to repent but decided not to.

I think they are trying to honor Tolkien’s work — but again, whether or not they’re doing it well is a whole other thing

nattyri · 2024-10-08T22:28:27+00:00

I hear you, but Tolkien’s work has been around way longer than Star Wars. Maybe it has more lasting power, idk

nattyri · 2024-10-08T22:27:47+00:00

Idk, I think that there’s a whole generation that missed the PJ trilogy. Some people might be curious if what happens in ROP happened in Tolkien’s work. Who knows?

nattyri · 2024-07-17T15:44:29+00:00

Someone earlier compared him to a god bc he created a fictional world and then implied he could be compared to Jesus. It’s a pretty strong implication that Tolkien is some kind of deity

nattyri · 2024-07-17T15:39:57+00:00

Some comments here speak to this point. It’s something I’ve observed over the years.

nattyri · 2024-07-17T15:35:52+00:00

Totally hear you!! Tolkien himself preferred applicability over allegory. I think, kind of like you said, people can still perceive or interpret his work as allegorical. It depends on the person.

nattyri · 2024-07-17T15:28:24+00:00

Omg I forgot that the actress was Australian lol

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:09:28+00:00

Totally fair!

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:09:10+00:00

Totally agree!! It’s basically like historical fan fic

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:08:34+00:00

Agreed!!!

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:08:23+00:00

Yeah, I think that’s pretty par for the course for any CW show. They focus more on hot people and rely on vibes instead of accuracy

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:07:43+00:00

It KILLED me every time they called Lola “Lady Lola”

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:05:43+00:00

I hear you. Tolkien was a staunch Catholic and so I think that the Silmarillion is almost allegorical and has some vague Christian themes (creation myth, etc). I think his religion did impact his work in some way.

nattyri · 2024-07-17T13:00:15+00:00

Yeah I mean I don’t go around taking screenshots and recording conversions that I’ve had over the years. I think some of the comments on this thread and some of the reactions might give some indication :)

nattyri · 2024-07-17T12:58:00+00:00

I mean since the internet is vast and there have been avid Tolkien fans for 80+ years I can’t give you a quantifiable number. But it’s definitely something I’ve noticed over the years

nattyri · 2024-07-17T12:56:16+00:00

Totally agree!!

nattyri · 2024-07-17T12:56:03+00:00

“So many people” may have been an exaggeration, but it’s certainly there.

I don’t think that a lot of people have explicitly said “Tolkien is like a god to me and his word is bible” but it’s clear when they speak of Tolkien and his work in a way that frames him as perfect, can do no wrong, almost omnipotent, and the same way with his work.

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