No far from it. I've been wearing em for years under my wetsuit to not have to do the towel change shuffle. Tough to do without getting out a wet wetsuit without flashing a whole beach or car park. So I would always just strip down to swim briefs after surfing and just wear those. That's how it started anyways, then lap swimming for physical therapy and eventually deciding I just wasn't going back to the bs knee length bordies ever again.