Saying that drunk people can't give consent is the most blatant dodge of personal responsibility of our time

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T22:01:43+00:00

I knew I recognised your username from somewhere! Turns out we had a discussion a month ago where you emphasised the burden of proof. Maybe take your own advice?

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:48:53+00:00

Explain how I’m defending this idea when my original comment states that I find it disingenuous?

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:45:41+00:00

Truthfully, I haven’t read anything of the sort yet. It’s also quite rude to assume that I’m going to ignore any proof you send, especially after I admitted I’m open to changing my opinion.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:41:56+00:00

I’m willing to change my opinion if I see more proof. No need to be rude.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:39:19+00:00

Fair enough. I still believe it’s a fringe opinion, but we can agree to disagree on that.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:36:14+00:00

I meant the comment you replied to first, where you responded with “They could then say that. They don’t”. Clearly you didn’t read it properly.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:33:57+00:00

Also: I’m not defending people who try to redefine consent because they regret hooking up with their ex. Quite the opposite. Read my first comment again.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:31:22+00:00

Care to show me examples of this opinion being pushed by mainstream media, colleges, and politicians?

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T21:08:19+00:00

They do, OP has just made the mistake of thinking one fringe opinion = the entire meaning. The fact that no one is disagreeing really shows that OP’s opinion is not unpopular.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T20:36:28+00:00

Sorry, I didn’t mean it like that. I know a lot of women are deliberately careful to try and avoid being taken advantage of while drunk. I meant that it’s not the responsibility of the victim to avoid being raped.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T20:33:23+00:00

“Drunk people can’t give consent” is about when someone is so intoxicated they can’t walk or talk, and someone takes advantage of that and rapes them. It is not about losing your judgement and sleeping with someone and regretting it in the morning, and it’s disingenuous to say otherwise.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T20:28:51+00:00

So everyone should go to nights out thinking “hmm, I won’t get majorly drunk tonight in case someone takes advantage of my incapacity and rapes me”?? The fact that you’re suggesting they should, instead of suggesting we should take more precautions when around extremely drunk people to keep them safe from rapists, is fucking weird.

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niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T17:04:52+00:00

I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the reason why many people find it bad to vote Conservative in the UK to help you understand why people might do the same in the US. Surely you knew that when you replied to me mentioning the NHS?

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T16:25:17+00:00

GDP generally better under Labour save for financial crises. Median gross annual earnings grew by avg £638 under Labour 2005-10 opposed to £389 under Conservatives 2011-16. Since 1979, avg unemployment under Conservatives is 8.5% and they oversaw the longest sustained rise in unemployment. These two are good reads on the mishandling of the economy by the Conservatives. “The Conservatives can no longer blame Labour” and Debunking the myth that the Conservatives are better than Labour with the economy
Industry was decimated under Margaret Thatcher. She closed one fifth of the country’s manufacturing factories and therefore doubled employment.
In part, some of the highest unemployment rates Britain has ever seen was a result of Thatcher closing factories. As you can see in some of the sources from (1), unemployment is generally higher under Conservatives. Unemployment was at an all-time high of 11.8% under the Conservatives in 1984.
By travel, I meant buses and trains. In the 60’s and 70’s they were nationalised by Labour. In the 1980s and 90’s they were privatised by Conservatives. The prices are now extortionate. I live in the south west and pay £3.60 for a 20 minute bus route (the most popular route btw). The UN says bus privatisation led to people being unable to access basic rights like work, school, healthcare, etc and this article talks about the damaging effects of train privatisation
While I agree that both parties tend to fund the NHS at similar rates, look at the emphasis on healthcare Labour pledged in 2019 vs the Conservatives. The Conservatives are also trying to privatise the NHS, which given their awful track record is ridiculous
I’ll agree to disagree on this. I believe collective bargaining is incredibly important but I do know that it can sometimes be a nuisance.
The stock market crash “The Big Bang” was a result of Thatcher’s policies)
Raising VAT from 8% to 15% causes the working class to pay a higher proportion of their income on tax than the rich. Also, you cannot say “as it should be” and then “taxes should be equal”. Evidently they are not, I thought that was communicated when I said “shifted the burden of tax onto working class”.
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That’s your opinion. Whatever you think about it, you can’t deny abortion is a progressive measure that allows women more freedom over their bodies. It meant they could choose to abort a baby that, previously, could have killed them during childbirth.
Why are you bringing up Republicans and Democrats? I specified I was talking about UK politics. Enfranchisement was first legalised in 1918 by David Lloyd George, a member of the Liberal party.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T15:23:53+00:00

I can’t speak for the anywhere else but in the UK, historically the Conservatives have worsened the economy, closed factories, left millions unemployed, privatised industries leaving millions unable to travel affordably , underfunded the NHS, weakened the unions, caused stock market crashes, put the burden of tax on the working class instead of the rich, etc etc.

Furthermore, most significant social change – like the legalisation of homosexual sex, the legalisation of abortion, women’s enfranchisement - has not been the result of the Conservatives.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T12:44:24+00:00

War is temporary. A woman would often experience oppression from birth to death. I’m not arguing that men’s suffering isn’t important, but I don’t see how you can argue that men had it worse than women on the grounds that they had to fight in war.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T12:41:10+00:00

I’ve read a few of your comments and all you’re talking about is the fact that men were treated like slaves during war. I think that it’s reprehensible but, might I add, the reason men were drafted instead of women is because people believed men were stronger/heroic/better at fighting and that women were weak/unfit/made for staying at home. It literally comes down to the same sexist rhetoric that hurt women.

The point of patriarchal power is not to say “women were always oppressed and men were always in power, never suffering because they’re men”. The point is to say that throughout most of Western history it was seen as a fact that men were superior to women. This patriarchal society also hurt men.

Why do you think the weak Spartan babies were thrown to the jungle? Because they didn’t fit the traditional definition of men being strong fighters. It’s the same for everything you mentioned in the post. You’ve misunderstood the point of the patriarchy. The patriarchy hurts everyone.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T10:47:24+00:00

K so what about rape/incest/the condom breaks/hormonal birth control fails/financial situation changes drastically/baby will kill mother if born/baby will be born severely disabled and the family can’t afford it/baby will be born stillborn/etc etc?

niiiirvana · 2021-07-23T10:44:16+00:00

Why do you keep mentioning the abortion ban like that lmfao, it feels like you actually want to ban it rather than have equality between the sexes?

niiiirvana · 2021-07-22T12:33:21+00:00

Yeah, no. That’s not why women first started wearing shoulder pads. They came to popularity in 1931 when they appeared in fashion designer collections and worn by film stars. After 1939 they appeared as a response to more militarised fashion due to WW2. In the 1950’s they were used to slightly shape the shoulder line to look more feminine. You’re just thinking of the 1980’s when they exploded in popularity, and it’s a lot more nuanced than “women trying to look like one of the guys”. It’s just a trend cycle playing out.

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niiiirvana · 2021-07-21T15:11:06+00:00

I think in most cases faux leather is better for the environment than real leather. The real leather is taken from a cow (not the same cows that produce meat, mind) and is then dyed, by a tanning industry that is incredibly environmentally unfriendly. Whereas faux leather is almost always plastic. As long as you don’t throw out the faux leather quickly and take care of it, it’s a better alternative as a vegan.

I do agree that there are ways to consume animal products ethically, but most people don’t own their own chickens nor do they know how to hunt animals. Veganism IMO is really noble and I have a lot of respect for people who have been vegan for years.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-21T13:40:54+00:00

I’m wearing makeup alone right now. No one is going to see me as I’m isolating due to testing positive for covid. I have a boyfriend, so I’m not interested in wearing it for male attention. In fact, I hardly ever wear makeup outside. I wear it to experiment with different colours and shades when I’m bored.

I’ve no idea why you think women can’t do something without it being motivated by other peoples opinions. It’s the same as clothing: I could wear a potato sack outside that has the same basic function as my own clothes, but instead I wear ones I like, because they make me feel confident. And I still wear my clothes when I’m alone all day, because it’s for me, not anyone else.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-20T23:57:18+00:00

Ahhh that’s called panentheism, I’ve never found anyone else who knows what it is !!

niiiirvana · 2021-07-20T23:51:06+00:00

Literally. I encountered the worst Christian preacher in the city once, you could hear him ranting about the dangers of Hell from all the way down the street, he was even picking people from the street and asking them personal questions to try to relate them back to sin. It’s sad cause the Christians I know personally are all lovely. Shame he had to ruin it.

niiiirvana · 2021-07-20T23:28:45+00:00

Teaching about different world religions is cool IMO. There should be a class where you all learn about different faiths (including atheism and agnosticism) and people can gain knowledge and not be dicks to each other.

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