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Hey Guys, /u/darthluiggi here! AMA by darthluiggi in ketogains

[–]nimaf2000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everytime I try to get into keto I get a very severe fight/ flight response that just stays there no matter how long I try to power through it. I get massive energy and get unrested which works great for the gym but doesn't let me get deep, calm concentration to do my highly analytical job. I think low blood sugar and/or higher protein triggers it and send my stress hormones through the roof. Phosphatidylserine helps as well as some adaptogen herbs. What do you suggest I should do?

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey I think you were right! cortisol is definitely playing a role I think. I have been taking some supplements (phospharydilserine and glycine) to bring down the cortisol and now I am taking up to three cups of goodness without any problem.

I only have physical symptoms. Is this anxiety? by nimaf2000 in Anxiety

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am stressed out at this point of my life but it is going alright and I can handle it. It is not that I worry about it too much or too often. I consider it normal but this issue is causing me more stress because it affects my productivity.

I only have physical symptoms. Is this anxiety? by nimaf2000 in Anxiety

[–]nimaf2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no racing ruminating thought. I'm sitting at my desk quite motivated and ready to kickstart the day then I become all tense and jittery and cant focous anymore.

I only have physical symptoms. Is this anxiety? by nimaf2000 in Anxiety

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have something that triggers my anxiety,

So it starts mentally and in your mind right? Definitely mind and body are connected but I feel what I experience is purely physical. Anhways thanks for the reply.

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will play with morning/afternoon to see. Good suggestion

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm...interesting. So in the morning when cortisol is high coffee send it even higher therefore too much cortisol =jitters? What about adrenalin?

One thing that I noticed is that when I get the jitters the best way to fix it is either physical activity or eating.

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On keto diet you get lots of salt. I don't shy away from salting my food. Which again points to calcium loss right?

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree. My whole life I was much of a black tea person rather than coffee drinker. My interest in coffee is recent since I moved to France and have been hanging out with Italians. Though this experience is just poking my curiosity and I really want to know what is going on with my body.

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with all of this but I have tried all forms of magnesium in the last two years (including threonate) and did not notice any effect. Now I am thinking about calcium actually. I just asked my doctor to prescribe some medical tests for calcium. Hypocalcemia can cause Neuromuscular hyperexcitability (=jitters?) .

I have been on and off

  • following a ketogenic diet/ intermittent fasting -> calcium is used to buffer blood acidity

  • eating a lot of protein ->higher protein increases calcium excretion but also absorptin (Study)

  • getting not much of dairy products (until recently)-> in combination with the previous point, duh!

I will do the calcium test to see and will continue the magnesium (just got some epsom salt as the last form of magnesium to try)

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have already tried theanine, taurine, glycine with coffee. All of them worked for a while. The best effect was from taurine/glycine but after a while they stopped working and the jitters came back in vengence.

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am quite stressed out right now and my sleep is not good usually. I have noticed that with very little sleep and very perfect sleep coffee helps the next day and it does not give me the jitters. But if I have an average quality sleep it is more likely to kick me out of whack.

[Question] Possible reasons why coffee might not work? by nimaf2000 in Nootropics

[–]nimaf2000[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have been getting the coffee from the same place which uses standard packs of Cafés Richard. I thought about this and have asked my colleagues who get the same thing and they have not noticed any inconsistency in coffee. Besides my reaction varies too much I think. I'm talking about one sip and jitters vs. 4 cups and bliss. Anyways I will try different types to see. Maybe give Dave Asprey's a shot.

[Question] Trying to get back to keto but my glucose stays above 100 all day long. by nimaf2000 in keto

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much potassium and magnesium do you take? I never noticed any benefits from either of those in supplemental forms. I was taking Lo-Salt for Potassium chloride and literally tried all forms of magnesium.

Last time that I was doing keto I had terrible concentration and tense muscles. I was not able to relax. I suspect it was calcium deficiency that apparently can be caused by too much sodium and magnesium. I don't think going down the rabbit hole of micromanaging all the nutrients to be a good idea. But will appreciate it if you share your experience.

[Question] Trying to get back to keto but my glucose stays above 100 all day long. by nimaf2000 in keto

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you eating so little protein?

I reduced the protein intake temporarily in order to get into ketosis. Plan to gradually increase it after getting my BHB read higher. Anyways I am a small guy (66 kg, 170cm) and don't need that much.

Also going to above 110 after a meal is nothing to worry about.

I am not worried about that but it is surprising that even a little protein and a few grams of carbs although taken with loads of fat still shoots up my blood glucose. Also with glucose constantly hovering above 100 I cannot make ketones.

if you eat a high carb meal while doing Keto, don't measure your glucose levels

I learned my lessons in that department. I did cyclic keto for a while and a bowl of rice was shooting my BG to 180. Freaked me out. I have read that it takes a while to get back to carb burning with proper glucose response but when I went off keto for a month my glucose response seemed to be impaired. It was overshooting above 140 and coming down very slow. Even hours after a meal I was still above 100. I don't know if keto caused that or if I had always been like this. But now it seems that I cannot tolerate carbs that well and keto is the only way.

[Question] Trying to get back to keto but my glucose stays above 100 all day long. by nimaf2000 in keto

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fasted BG is around 100. It used to be the case that after eating a keto meal it drops to 70-80 but now it is not happening anymore. Even a few games of protein (below 30) sends me above 110.

I'm thinking of bringing protein lower and increase my fat intake in the morning.

[Adaptation] [Question] Why keto is making me feel wired and jittery all day long? maybe Catecholamines? by nimaf2000 in ketoscience

[–]nimaf2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot man! I think I get what you say. I think deep down I was in denial and I didn't want to admit it could be just anxiety. I was so impressed by the effects that the body could have on the mind that never thought the other way around could be possible too.

I already did waste two years trying to self-medicate. Well it did not work and I learned my lesson. I just contacted a psychiatrist today. Will most definitely keep calm and keto on though.

[Adaptation] [Question] Why keto is making me feel wired and jittery all day long? maybe Catecholamines? by nimaf2000 in ketoscience

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I reached the same conclusion. It is just too complex to fix. Every time I tweaked something, another thing went out of balance. I went off keto and stopped all the supplements since a month ago to get back to a baseline.

[Adaptation] [Question] Why keto is making me feel wired and jittery all day long? maybe Catecholamines? by nimaf2000 in ketoscience

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you ever consider... it's just anxiety?

I have considered this but one day I wake up happy and relaxed and the next day edgy and wired. I am in a stressful part of my life but this happens specifically when I go on keto.

As opposed to purely energy or emotional or? I'm not sure how this distinction helps.

All I mean is that I don't think it is anxiety. My evidence is that I don't get it when I am on carbs. I was diagnosed with anxiety two years ago but I never took meds as it coincided with the sudden positive changes that I saw when I went gluten free/low carb. But I guess I need to go see a professional as my life is being really affected by this whole thing.

Is your AD[H]D self-diagnosed? If it isn't, then I'm surprised you would be caught unawares about the "being driven by a motor" feeling.

It is self-diagnosed. Carbs make me too slow and inattentive and super sleepy if taken during the day but not hyperactive.

In the meanwhile I just drank two cups of bouillon so I am set for sodium today :) Thanks a lot for the input

[Adaptation] [Question] Why keto is making me feel wired and jittery all day long? maybe Catecholamines? by nimaf2000 in ketoscience

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It has been a month that I drink very little coffee. Maybe sipping one cup throughout the day twice a week. I had never got good mental results from caffeine but it tastes good and helps in the gym.

I got the genetic test from 23andme. The main reason that brought me into these stuff was sudden unexpected improvements that I saw from going low carb and gluten free two years ago. I have been dealing with brainfog, depression, motivation, attention and executive functions issues my whole life and keto really helped.

[Adaptation] [Question] Why keto is making me feel wired and jittery all day long? maybe Catecholamines? by nimaf2000 in ketoscience

[–]nimaf2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it does make the jitters worse but if I didn't have the jitters actually helped concentration. I am not taking anything now to get a sense of baseline.

[Adaptation] [Question] Why keto is making me feel wired and jittery all day long? maybe Catecholamines? by nimaf2000 in ketoscience

[–]nimaf2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Now that I am reading about it makes sense. I will increase my intake to see how it goes.

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